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Message edited 1:52 - April 29, 2009 By solobok

This lighter was my first truly vintage zippo. It was after her, I almost entirely focused on the search for the old, and not buying new zippo. FIHM little "away", was once again to buy new ones.

Originally it was a "black crackle" with the three-tier loop during the Second World War. Owner was stripping (removal of the traces in the form of weak vertical scratches can be considered on case - very characteristic marks that are almost all "tear off" zippo World) and the case has been silvered, which in itself does not occur very often. Lighter this attracted me with its mystery. Sold - American collector and author of two books on the history of vintage lighters, actively marketed and advertised on the websites of our collectors themes. Seller year of production marketed as 1942. I was puzzled because the three-tier loop - this is 43-45 years old, as well as the inscription on the steel insert with the number of the patent. However, I bought this thing, finding out something about the coins that have graced the lighter holder. This Australian silver pennies. On the fact that reverse soldered up, see the year of issue - 1943, but in general, I have found such sixpences minted to 46-year. Usually coins in military lighters are of two types: the rear seat base or the battlefield. So, on the lighter of those who fought in Europe, found mostly English (rear base) or, for example, French, German (landing and fighting) coins. Australian pennies early forties coinage can only point to one thing: the owner of this zippo fought in the Pacific against Japan. It is in Australia were allies rear bases in the Pacific theater of war. Australia, in addition, a long time ago and still is the source of the largest deposits of silver, so silvered lighter galvanic, while in Australia, it was about the same as in Europe - red lead paint, not harder. That the owner took off the black coating itself is usual. So did many of the soldiers who fought in Europe, Africa, etc. But usually it is meant that it is NOT an infantryman: black finish created specifically to not blikovat lighter, giving aim sniper. Accordingly, the Marines always maintain such a disguise so as not to "shine" in the trenches or in the street fighting. Clean and polish your zippo usually artillerymen, tankers, pilots, sailors, etc.. So, perhaps, my beauty was fighting way with any carrier sailor on the deck of which fell in showers kamikaze planes. Silver - another plus in the direction of a marine is a good protection against rust (some traces of which are found on the insert).

Main mystery of this instance - is dating. There is no trace shift loops, but lighter in an invalid patent number on the body, which knocked some of the lighters in 1942. Even without inserts, which is easy to change, get an interesting picture. Sometime in 1942, was replaced by a zippo design: four-link hinge changed to a three, and on the fourth before the inserts were beat out the company name, license number and country of manufacture (in principle, the same stamp as on the convex bottom). At the same time the bottom was even more prominent (as in my instance). This lighter has all the features of the later 43-45 years, and at the same time - invalid patent, which appears on the zippo in 1942. I concluded that I was not in the hands of just a rare instance of a mistake by the patent, and even more rare - a copy of the transition period, where the body of the new model still managed to break the wrong stamp.

By the way, a lighter bearing the clear signs of the Pacific theater of war, too, either before or after is not met. I think fake excluded: why do so "bother", looking to the U.S., Australia's pension if it was easier soldered very common British or other European? By the way, the seller, a collector, a specialist in lighters, not specializing in coins, and marked the sale of lighter as "decorated English coins." Error is understandable and those in other ladies of the royal family were portrayed in Britain, differed only reverses. That is, the seller did not know that he is not in the hands of European and Pacific WWII zippo.

It works like a charm. Wait a minute ... That is lit from it, and on this small survey conclude my first vintage purchase.

Dillinger, thank you! I always try to sniff out anything about vintage acquiree and that beating about it. That if I messed up, I hope our Admin correct me. I care about his knowledge of the subject yet oh so far away. Spread their old contraption will slowly because given myself the task: to post about some vintage curiosities or just buying another one to the collection. Came up with a set of incentives to replenish.

Message edited 3:21 - April 13, 2009 By solobok

botas, thank you! I do not know how much historical but rather meticulous. For the most part, I was gathering information while trading. Here again, I tell you, the adrenaline. When you buy at a fixed price, the heart is not beating. Although I had a curious case of the jubilee clock zippovskimi: I haggled, bargained, and then could not be on the line - the case distracted. And broke my bet a little. I was cast down, and after a day comes to my message from the seller: you say, lucky (and said), the Celler have another copy. And I offer to buy it at a fixed price equal to my maximum rate for the previous hours. Which I did immediately.

I attach a photo inserts "Pacific" zippo, that was all the rules. It is customary to show both sides of the instance. However, on the go, the autofocus does not put things in there, insert text is blurred, but there and everything is clear, the usual three lines.

Message edited 12:23 - April 23, 2009 By kypexin

solobok writes:

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Sold - American, collector and author of two books on the history of vintage lighters, actively marketed and advertised on the websites of our collectors themes.

And by the way, what is the seller and the author? Head broke :) Dana Baumgartner? something does not seem ...

Message edited 2:26 - April 30, 2009 By solobok

kypexin writes:

Message edited 12:23 - April 23, 2009 By kypexin

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solobok writes:

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Sold - American, collector and author of two books on the history of vintage lighters, actively marketed and advertised on the websites of our collectors themes.

And by the way, what is the seller and the author? Head broke :) Dana Baumgartner? something does not seem ...

Well, you and I have discussed it internally. ;)

hengilinov writes:

Ira Pilosoff? On avtor knigi pro zazhigalok i dealer starix zazhigalok.

Right. Failing to find any anywhere portraits, found him - her. Later clearance (actually, aka kyrexin in person). In English, that the correspondence can not tell the sex of your interlocutor. :) And the name could be both Jewish men and taken out of Russia (especially in New York). I, in turn, confused indispensable vintage picture with smoking lady placed on every page of his lots.

hengilinov writes:

Tochna muzhik ;-) Ya ego v proshlom gody videl na sobranii kluba OTLS v Las Vegase.

But I'm no portraits in the Internet is not found very strange ... He on eBay are absolutely stunning instances of lighters! Lift-arm across the incredible beauty, board Ronson. Yes, in general, everything, everything, including military Zippo is in excellent condition, however, for an appropriate price ... Well, they're worth it.

hengilinov writes:

On setid za svoim stolom

http://otls.com/images/stories ..... C00510.JPG

Thank you! Highlight: earlier imagined his face - and it coincided with the present. That I somehow felt it at a distance, or just a person Ira is very suitable to his name. Second, of course, more likely, but first - interesting.

My wife thinks this Zippo most beautiful of them that she had ever seen. And what about the original, it's not very clear. Housing cover slightly narrower than the lower part. But traces of replacement hinges are visible. Or the difference in thickness occurred during removal of the coating and the subsequent grinding (to silver), or cover has been replaced. But judging by the loop, replaced no later 46th year. However, it should replace the hinges are not visible, and I've never seen that such a change in the traces left on the edge, in the form of specific dents who initially have all the modern Zippo (even a replica of the 41st). Zippo on WW production dents did not happen, all smooth. And repair dents always centered, and a little "skosobocheny." Therefore, the modern type Zippo renovated near the loop is obtained for four dents. There's nothing of the sort seen. Erroneous patent suggests that the lower part shall be made no later than 1942. All other features - 43-45 years. Rust on the inserts fully "reflected" in the rust inside the bottom of the housing. In general, a mysterious thing. But it is pleasant in the hand ... Do not tell.

Thanks for the reassurance! Probably cover all the same "native" because it fit the bottom of the - well, just perfect for the "zero" date is not always seen. And the "hump" on the cover and bottome same height, and the earlier they are lower.

"The old lady Repaired" too, probably, gently in your hand. They are to form similar to a replica of the 41st (or rather, on the contrary, like the pre-war replica), but all the same bedplate pokruglee. One of the advantages ploskorebernyh Zippo - how Pivoted cover "specific" falls flat edge on the fingers of a modern form of Zippo no such feeling. I must, though, to get a square, even a replica of the 32nd or 33rd ... Obschupat and the shell.

Insert, maybe even will fall somewhere in the auctions. Or any thorough broken a broken Zippo the same time, the cheap because of the state, but with the correct insert. In addition, this insert is also vintage, though later. That's when the insert quite modern, then hurt. And so, insert even gives it a unique charm. I, for example, on the Vietnam Zippo, which in the first part of "The Edge of a War ...", obviously repaired, changed the loop: characteristic scratches and two more dents. So I think this is a good thing: not only is a great "Vietnamese", so also an example of corporate zippovskogo repairs for the old warranty.

Golden-Joker wrote:

even though it is so very good

That is the best "peer review." If that is the feeling, so - thing "friendly" with the owner. It - the main thing. One of my favorite Zippo - a simple standard style of the 37th, 2007 release. She just does not work well in feeling. I am pleased to get a light on it, and it seems that she is happy to "serve" me. And what is it to me that it was not vintage, and that produced huge numbers. It is available in other such as mine - that, but not the same!

This stunning rasskaz.U Zippo rich destiny, I can not even imagine what being an owner can be said of historical things.

And my dream is Zippo '33 But no harm in dreaming

Captain Murphy writes:

This stunning rasskaz.U Zippo rich destiny, I can not even imagine what being an owner can be said of historical things.

I can not imagine how you could tell. But I can not describe. In short, it's good. Especially, little to learn what battles were in the Pacific. Kamikaze-pilots and naval battles are well known, but all the battles on the "Pacific" were very bloody. The Japanese do not just give up. A suicide were in the infantry - ran out of mine in his hands. Samurai spirit of the Japanese soldiers to actually do them for death in battle of best destiny soldier. One of the arguments in favor of the nuclear bombing of Japan was the fact that, as we approach the Allies to the Japanese islands, the entire population of Japan is ready to reflect the enemy's advance, with barely a child learns to walk and women - to the frail elderly. And so would have been. On the morale of the Japanese nation could tell souls of soldiers of Kublai Khan, tried unsuccessfully with a huge army to conquer Japan. True, at that time also helped the Japanese typhoon swept fleet of Kublai. That typhoon named "Kamikaze" - "Divine Wind." And who were named during World name of this storm, we all know well. True, for the second time did not help ...

But my story is too short. Too poor for this awesome theme. On the theme of the Pacific War, shot many films, including the well-known "The Thin Red Line" and "Letters from Iwo Jima" and the beautiful New Zealand film "The Last Bullet" and a great number of American films of 40-50-60s. I always cite the example of the Pacific theater of war, when I was convinced that by "our" only the Soviet Union during World War II to really fought, others so attached themselves to glory.

By the way, the 33 th year you can, I think, to get to the online auctions. Wait to catch, and buy. Sorry to have missed a very important point in the middle of transfer - have yet to win it, and applicants will be abysmal. Only here do not know how to wait for a miracle to appear. And it will be very expensive if the original in unit. I'm almost afraid to imagine how much ... Considering how many of them just released, and how much is currently known extant. In the past year I've seen on eBay is very similar to the first issue, according to an insert. I did not even watch, for all the money she left ... The military in a good complete with commemorative engraving (such as the landing in Normandy) sometimes go for four-digit numbers. The first issue, I think it will be over ten thousand.

У каждого может быть свое мнение. Я считаю, что война - не повод меряться, у кого больше народа полегло. Солдаты США, прошедшие “мясорубку” на Филиппинах и павшие там, достойны славы и памяти не меньше, чем русские, павшие под Сталинградом. А также воины союзников, павшие в многочисленных битвах в Африке, и убитые при высадке в Нормандии, и так далее. Да, россиянам пришлось вынести немало. Но разве боль европейских семей, потерявших своих близких в многочисленных концлагерях на территории Европы, от этого становится меньше? И японские солдаты, кстати, тоже достойны славы и чести. А также героические солдаты вермахта. У нас как-то вошло в привычку ВСЕХ СКОПОМ немецких солдат той поры, а не только специальные команды СС, считать извергами и изуверами. По этой логике каждый советский солдат должен быть приравнен к работнику пыточных камер НКВД. A what? И те, и другие - советские военные, не так ли? Или, все же, есть разница между солдатом, умирающим за свою родину в окопе, и кадровым палачом? Пусть даже родина солдата ведет несправедливую войну, но солдат-то героически выполняет свой долг перед отчизной.

Процитирую Хемингуэя, это очень любимая мной цитата:

“Я принимал участие во многих войнах, поэтому я, конечно, пристрастен в этом вопросе, надеюсь, даже очень пристрастен. Но автор этой книги пришел к сознательному убеждению, что те, кто сражается на войне, самые замечательные люди, и чем ближе к передовой, тем более замечательных людей там встречаешь; зато те, кто затевает, разжигает и ведет войну, - свиньи, думающие только об экономической конкуренции и о том, что на этом можно нажиться. Я считаю, что все, кто наживается на войне и кто способствует ее разжиганию, должны быть расстреляны в первый же день военных действий доверенными представителями честных граждан своей страны, которых они посылают сражаться. … А если бы под конец нашлись доказательства, что я сам каким-либо образом повинен в начавшейся войне, пусть бы и меня, как это ни печально, расстрелял тот же стрелковый взвод.”

Ernest Hemingway. Из предисловия к изданию 1948 года “Прощай, оружие!” (A Farewell to Arms)