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solobok - Member

2:01 - 18 June 2009

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To repeat, everyone can have an opinion. But, recognizing the role of the USSR in the war (my grandfather, by the way, not only all this war has passed, but the previous Finnish), I believe unfairly suppress the role of other countries. And lend-lease, which is remembered by many, confronted him, and sometimes still enjoy its fruits. This is not a joke. One of my friends came from Arkhangelsk. Where it is located exactly what he said, I do not know, but he had seen it himself repeatedly, all childhood. By the sea is a mountain of chocolate landed on lend-lease. Take it no one has picked up - the German air force bombed and then apparently forgot about him. But the people, after the war, found. By the time the mountain overgrown with ice. A dozen years ago, local men went to this hill drinking. Snacks with you did not take, but the crowbar. Dig deeper permafrost, dokovyryayutsya to chocolate, pinned - and snack. Jokes - gag, but many non-Russian sailors found their grave at the bottom of the ocean, trying to deliver a belligerent Soviet Union the very famous American stew and more. And by "western" aircraft our pilots fought. There were many rumors about that, they say, their cars were much worse than ours, but find fault that you be given in a moment of emergency - a sign of lack of self-esteem.

Yes, to the United States did not enter the occupant leg, as in England, by the way, but England suffered a lot from German bombing raids. With regard to Europe, many of them were under the heel of the third Reich, and they acted Resistance. I repeat: the death of a person, especially a hero who died for his country, or tortured, no matter where it happened, in the Russian village or camp in Europe, died a soldier on the battlefield or at Tikhvin was tortured by the Gestapo soprotivlenets French in Paris - it is always death . And the fight - always a struggle. Assume that "we - the minds, and you - alas," for myself I thought it would be not only disrespectful to the memory of ALL the fallen, but the lack of self-esteem. Those who do not appreciate other people's sacrifices, hardly able to truly appreciate and the.

Here we imagine that in a street fight involved group. Someone started earlier beat more opponents got more scratches and knocks. Someone came up later, but the enemy overpowered together. And yet - not without wounds. And who was the first to say to the others that I was fighting, and you so attached themselves, shelupon. That such a man say? What would you say about him? Of course, it is insulting and horrible, when ordinary people in the West do not know about the role of the USSR in the Second World War, which is why it is an epic of absurdist under the name "The Unknown War". Terrible. So why repeat their mistake? They are bad, not knowing about us and not recognizing us, and we - the good? We - the same, if we behave the same way.

Dillinger. - Member

14:51 - 18 June 2009

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Message edited 14:54 - June 18, 2009 By Dillinger.


answer ... lend-lease lend-lease is, Yes, it helps, no one argues about it, but that does not mean hait, nobody Hail, criticized the American planes da.Kritikovali Kittihok because of problems with the engine, by the way at that died our famous ace pilot Safonov.Nelepo, due to a failure in the engine, by the way on his last flight, he went without a slave, who also had to go back for the same prichine.Kritikovali and American Sherman, who just burned like a candle, not giving chance to crew on a call .... spasenie.Eto Nate God that we do not yet gozhe.I not criticize them for this technique, and who on ney.Byli flexibility and the good moments as Airacobra and the British Spitfire, their hvalili.I I believe rightly criticized, as our people fought and died, or might vyzhit.I lend-lease as equipment needed, because its production does not have time to build up sufficient pace ... or someone else will compare them to Sherman or Whether with our T-34 or KV and our Yaks and La with ihnimi Kittihokami and Tomagavkami.I yet still fought mostly on their machines.

I agree that bad that ordinary people in the West do not know who won pobedu.Ya myself live in the west and see it here ... They just recently celebrated D-Day ... so much so that if they won the war, if it is due to the Allied landing we won . Ingratitude and tolko.Eta landing only hastened the end of the war, no more.

Yes, England was bombed, and in a peaceful English population furnaces burned, and to work in Germany were stolen, or may be tortured British prisoners as well as Russian? No!! Our people as Slavs and the people did not believe the Nazis.

And I think, rightly, as we celebrate May 9! Which parades arrange that all enlightenment and education world to know and see who won the Second World War, and they are helping!

solobok - Member

2:25 - 19 June 2009

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Here I agree. Just repeat your own words: they help us. Hayat who helped, for that, they say, "is not and does not then" - not too grateful. And thanks to the great people - the quality you need. In "Sherman" by the way, not only by our burning. Themselves - too. That Americans called out "Ronson", they say, "light is always on the first try." Though actually ignited the first time just the queen of this resource - Zippo.

It would be ridiculous for me to argue with the fact that the Russian people made great sacrifices experienced untold suffering and did an incredible amount for the overall victory. But again: it is impossible to measure the suffering of digits. Because the suffering of even one person - it's grief. And hardly died in the concentration camps of Europe non-Russians suffered less than burned alive in a village in the territory of the USSR. Measure to compare the suffering can only those who experienced them. But they are, in my experience, do not compare. And those who did not survive, it is unlikely in the next world are measured, to whom it was painful.


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