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| NespljU - Member 14:45 - 20 August 2010 Posts 17 |
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| Message edited 14:46 - August 20, 2010 by NespljU
In "Lighters like Zippo" (http://zippocollector.ru/archives/2035), you describe the lighter "Star", so here is my "Star-1", and oddly enough the difference in design between it and Zippo occur. Since the cameras are not available, I will describe in words and pictures. At the bottom, inside of the body carry a small metal spring limb, to secure the intserta:   Intsert itself is smooth and has a small extension at the top (with spring storyny mahanizma). Wash this solution offers bolishuyu leaks - a tightly packed, dressed up to the top, off 9-10 days, unless of course pirikurivat. Not that it had been a significant difference, written just for reference ... PS By the way packing her very thorough, will have the opportunity to take pictures, lay ... |
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| dreamwork - Expert Ukraine 11:22 - 21 August 2010 203 posts |
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| Friends! Explain to me the fool that situation! Lighters STAR, Vladimir says that this is not fake Zippo, but an independent brand. Though it is not written on the Zippo, but it looks one to one with Zippo. This also applies to other clones Zippo. After all the forms and modifications Zipp patented and if you release the lighter is the same shape and appearance without buying the patent, or the patent owner otstkgivaniya money, it is a violation of the law. You have developed a lighter, "look", spent a lot of money, get a patent, and someone picked up and released the same lighter, only written on it is not "light" and "flame" and quietly makes a profit from the sale of your idea. What does that mean? Is not Zipp boritsya officially zlosnym with piracy? Come back in our country can be understood - a mess in this regard, but in America and Europe, there are strict laws in terms of copyright. |
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| NespljU - Member 19:39 - 21 August 2010 Posts 17 |
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| Probably I will start with the first and most important reason: - Lighters "Star", is the work of the Chinese people's industry, not European. China is a socialist state, which, by and large, do not care about capitalist ambitions patent snickering west. The trials of the various kinds of "pirates", held there with extreme reluctance, so as not to plunge into shock, vigorously growing popular economy. If you add 2 +2, then we can understand that the Honourable Company "Zippo", is extremely difficult to prosecute the violators of U.S. law on Chinese soil ... It is a fact that prevents us prevent the production of "Star" s, even if they wanted to. Now you can say about why they do not want, and you can do it, if you hold your glad marketologicheskoe comparison: - Lighters Zippo, lighters Zippo, is only if they are written word "Zippo", and this is not from the point of view of the law, I am in terms of market logic. Not many people are buying this creation of engineering, because of its physical qualities, people buy "Zippo", because it is a "Zippo" - a famous American Lighter with centuries of history. Yet on what is written the famous words, is just a piece of metal for the average man, who may or may not of the same quality and beauty, but it will be a piece of metal cut out by the fire. So why try to prevent the production, which does not compete in the market with their goods? There are still quite sick of reasons "why", but I'm too lazy to print so much ...) |
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| kypexin - Administrator 21:02 - 21 August 2010 1670 posts |
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| Well, the fact is that Star is not an absolute copy of Zippo. They are superficially similar, but inside there are some structural differences. And while this is technically the product is like others, despite the fact that the shape and design of Zippo zaptentovany themselves - then I'm not very good at the legal aspects, but generally speaking this Zippo did not fight, because Star on the lighter does not say the word "Zippo". Ie apparently its patents in this case. | |
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| kypexin - Administrator 21:04 - 21 August 2010 1670 posts |
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| PS t-u NespljU also wrote all very true, by the way, I agree 100% | |
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| dreamwork - Expert Ukraine 21:38 - 21 August 2010 203 posts |
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| Guys, thank you very much for your comprehensive answer! |
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| yezh - Member 12:22 - 28 September 2010 68 posts |
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| Dear Vladimir rights. Star just looks like a Zippo. I used to have them (Star) were few. I just wanted to enjoy a cigarette lighter, and buy a real Zippo, even the most inexpensive of Finance was not, and that's to buy Chinese. And so I think that the possibility of Zippo even use them for promotional purposes, such as let them release on health. People will buy popolzuyut and then still buy our own. After all, everything is relative. But please note, gentlemen, that this is just my guess. By the way, I have one of those lighters not kept a single one. Although they worked for a while, they then had to change to the new and the old ... I'm sure they do not throw away, but did not keep them because of the absolute futility. |
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| LUTER - Member VI Lenin's birthplace 22:56 - July 17, 2011 37 posts |
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| As for the Chinese. Until Zipp bought for 100 rubles. Kentau (exact name not know). Six months later, sent a replica 41. Compare. Conclusion: The Chinese have a perfect fit lid to the body, no gap, no gap, insert is securely rises in the housing and does not pop up! Now riginalnaya Zippo Replica 1941 Brass - caps looks to the side, you need to adjust and pottyagivat loop gap in the housing, insert takes off only the case, so the bottom rope tied to the screw. Take that, fuck, and China, his mother. Ah! | |
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| Hartman - Guest 0:41 - July 18, 2011 |
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| kypexin writes: Well, the fact is that Star is not an absolute copy of Zippo. They are superficially similar, but inside there are some structural differences. And while this is technically the product is like others, despite the fact that the shape and design of Zippo zaptentovany themselves - then I'm not very good at the legal aspects, but generally speaking this Zippo did not fight, because Star on the lighter does not say the word "Zippo". Ie apparently its patents in this case.
The term of the patent rights in the U.S., AFAIK - 50 years maximum. So long Zippo design - free of any patents. Renew a patent can not be - should be innovations and inventions. Treydmark - that yes, the zascheschen and, in my opinion, it indefinitely. So de jure can mold up quite a Zippo, but, yes, Zippo writing on them No way, verbotn. And yes - to sue under the laws of China - it is necessary in China, the place where the, so to speak, act. Well, the Chinese court, the most humane in the world, self-Saboya, understand, yes. No brainer - as. Precedents. :) Well podelnye things - watches, lighters, clothes - they are for fake people, I think. :) |
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| botas - Expert 3:31 - July 18, 2011 530 posts |
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| Message edited 3:36 - July 18, 2011 by botas
NespljU, in fact the company Zippo sneeze is that there in China who does. And to Star'ov had a bunch of lighters 20 years ago, which completely copied Zippo. And even more than 20 years ago were clones Zippo. By the way, NespljU, have you ever wondered why a lot of years, other manufacturers have copied exactly Zippo? |
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| Truckdriver - Expert 10:12 - July 18, 2011 206 posts |
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| botas writes: Message edited 3:36 - July 18, 2011 by botas
By the way, NespljU, have you ever wondered why a lot of years, other manufacturers have copied exactly Zippo?
I think right now you need to remember how did she Zippo. By and large, also stolen design, although improved for ease of use. | |
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| Hartman - Guest 10:49 - July 18, 2011 |
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| botas writes: Message edited 3:36 - July 18, 2011 by botas
NespljU, in fact the company Zippo sneeze is that there in China who does. And to Star'ov had a bunch of lighters 20 years ago, which completely copied Zippo. And even more than 20 years ago were clones Zippo. By the way, NespljU, have you ever wondered why a lot of years, other manufacturers have copied exactly Zippo?
Said - the term of a patent in the U.S. - 20 years. That is, since 1956 Zippo personal copier can produce. Which, incidentally, explains the abyss Japanese Zippo clones in the 60's. Why copy? (Question not me, of course, but ...) And just like that once - is it possible to remember some other construction that allows to model a couple of punches stamp finished lighter? :) The same IMCO requires a much more sophisticated equipment. Jin-silk - ready lighter at a cost of a quarter dollar, sold for five to ten, the Chinese Figure enough. Although the Chinese now make very suitable clones Dupont, for all the same $ 15 - technologies allow. Another question is that pi-ar Zippo more than luck and if in the American film lights up - then surely by Zippo - and it seems that other lighters just naturally never ever. And may not be sold in hardware sebistoimostyu buck, and the legend, Pont and charisma. |
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