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Maxim - Guest

11:46 - 21 May 2009

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Good afternoon.

taking advantage of the lighter, I wanted to check how much is enough stock of fuel for continuous combustion.

After ignition, after 5-6 minutes of normal flames began to grow into a much bigger, this was probably due to the evaporation of gasoline vapor through the walls. All this is very reminiscent of the pioneer fire.

This can be seen in the photo: (insert from other lighters, both native)

http://pic.ipicture.ru/uploads ..... 7PpCkS.jpg

then lit another cigarette lighter so for 2-3 minutes, then turn off, running out of fuel.

The result - a lighter, even after charging then not ignite - no spark.

Trimming the wick, flint replacement will not help, empirically established that the reason for that wheel - interrupted by other lighters.

Most likely due to prolonged heat exposure was "letting go" breach of the crystal lattice of the metal.

Thus already broken two lighters Zippo.

kypexin - Administrator

12:02 - 21 May 2009

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Maxim, my respect to you! :))

I have long wanted to do myself such an experience, but you have shown us all :) Although, I respected our Golden-Joker and solobok (independently) told us that were doing the same thing: they have lighter burning about 15-20 minutes and ended all this without any consequences for it.

That's interesting: a lighter then will never be kindled? That is, I suspect that the temperature effect can affect the wheel, but not to such an extent that it would no longer provide any spark. Yet it is done by a special process and made of special alloys and "kill" it is very difficult. While that's your experience proves the opposite, and there is no reason not to believe him. And you do not have photos of the affected wheel to separate close-up, to see what became of him?

MANDREY69 - Member

12:13 - 21 May 2009

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Good day!

And what is the vulnerability of the Zippo? In this study, lighter work in the critical regime Frown . In principle, if let Zippo under the press, and then she will not light up, then Zippo also be considered vulnerable Cool .

Do not subject to torture their Zippo-sorry for them, damn Smile .

MANDREY69 - Member

12:17 - 21 May 2009

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By the way what about the effect of a blowtorch. And what fuel was used in the experiment "ssozheniya"? This is fundamentally why'll talk later.

Capillary - Guest

12:33 - 21 May 2009

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Good afternoon. Being a witness of my friend and colleague, Maxim simply burned his lighter, with his permission, I answer a number of questions because it is currently not available.

1) The fuel used in both cases Newport'ovskoe, and immediately before the experiment lighters are not refueled.

2) In the first spark lighters did not exist. Chick-tweet - and dry.

3) wheel of her be saved. Thrown together with insert.

Lighter is in the photo, however, is ignited, though not immediately. From about the fifth time.


Maxim - Guest

13:19 - 21 May 2009

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MANDREY69 - Member

13:34 - 21 May 2009

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In the post "Fuel for the Zippo" wrote that I spend a comparative test of Newport and the new synthetic fuel Zippo - the results of which tpishus later to a specified post. So that's one of my tests - flame stability during long-term continuous combustion. Burning cigarette lighters with different types of fuel for 3 minutes. From Newport flames grew in height as they heat lighters about 3-4raza, burning accompanied by clapping (but this effect it in the photo nebilo). With synthetic Zippo - the flame grew in the first 20 seconds only slightly (by 2-2.5 times) and remained stable. My guess is that this is due to different boiling point "syntethic isoparaffinic hydrocarbonat" of MDM manufacture of modern synthetic fuel Zippo and "distillate naphtha" - part of Newport. In Zippo, it probably is much higher.

Can we have among chemists and confirm or refute my assumptions.

MANDREY69 - Member

13:43 - 21 May 2009

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The photo pretty decent cuts, why not give a spark? If the wheel after the "heat treatment" was softer than silicon, the notch must be on the look worse after the friction of flint and have a pronounced production in the form of a groove.

solobok - Member

6:45 - May 23, 2009

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Message Edit 6:54 - May 23, 2009 user solobok


Told me I will explain about the cases: twice burned two different zippo for a long time, not for the purpose of research, but by necessity. And once Lighter really burned continuously for about 15-20 minutes (on the set, disguised, simulated candle - a real candle in the wind died out). At another time and another zippo burning with no wind, indoors, when no electricity, and needed light. No increase in the flame had not noticed. Smooth stable combustion commercials five minutes to seven, while it was necessary. But it was always original zippovsky gasoline. No evaporation of gasoline from interwalled space is also not observed, and increased consumption of gasoline is not entailed the need to recharge - after a long time lighting a cigarette, not tucking in the new, that is, from those long Goren zippo not "dried up." I think it is, nevertheless, in gasoline, nyuportovsky likely to behave differently. No wonder that the Council use their gasoline-burning insert is stamped right on. ;) But with the wheels I can confirm some easing spark was (but not that ALL the spark was gone.) In both cases, then walked along the teeth SLIGHTLY thin diamond needle files, undermined, so to speak, as the saw eroding - and the spark is back, yes the same as it had never been. And both lighter plow since then and today, as pretty. So, in my experience, "kill" the wheel really hard, but "hurt" - it is possible. Incidentally, this was the weakening of the spark in me and another lighter, and that is what no one for a long time not burned out. They are all a decade of manufacturing: the nineties. So, it is possible that a few years, the plant was just walking "polubrak" flint wheel (or experimenting with the alloy, not too successfully). But I said third zippo undermined needle files - works, how cute. Regarding the tire noticed that lighters last year (not at all) incision on the silica is larger. Also, probably, experiment. The links of the loop out, Sause. Loop looks more elegant on the cover of efficiency, like, not affected. They are there all the time at Bradford something variable. The proportions of the windshield, there's already changed so many times ... I do not even two, like, the same type of style of the 37th "slash-corner" - on the one issue 90 windscreen narrower than the one released in this century, but wider than lighters 60 and 70.

By the way, I remembered the advice here (which is steadily following): never wash knives with very hot water, sharpening worse. The cutting edge, being exposed during grinding, in part, to shock, receives additional hardening (as we know, the mowers for sharpening a scythe even specifically "ticking" for this purpose), and that it is "released" hot water. Maybe overheating lighters does not spoil the wheel, but "lets go" of the cutting edge, it's her edge. Therefore, there is no spark, so also undermining needle files solved the problem. However, all this is just theorizing ...

Golden-Joker - Maniac

22:33 - 26 May 2009

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Well written, very much and I agree completely! but at the expense of knives I do not understand .... me and the Swiss suits Wink

MANDREY69 - Member

23:18 - 26 May 2009

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Keep Golden-Jokera.

But with knives another story. Hot water is not "otputit" steel. Good, not tupyaschiyusya vyskouglerodistoy knife made of steel, and it is easy to oxidize, rust (take a look at the rims on a sunny day after driving through a puddle, rust appears as the drying of the disk) when the blades are washed with cold water, or as advised Chinese cooks-just wipe, there remains a layer of fat that protects against oxidation Smile

Golden-Joker - Maniac

23:21 - 26 May 2009

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So much so! good about knives Laugh . unless they are soldered to the Zippe Surprised

diokhan - Guest

11:30 - 12 July 2009

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I never heard of that sharpening of the hot water is released, unless there kakih-nibud concentrate acids runs from the tap)) ... and about the sustainability of zips: the manufacturer indicates clearly, should burn with full fuel 30 minutes to check its not once, and show off to your friends rotten leave (intentionally though they also infect zippomaniey 8-)), and for myself to take the soul and threaten with a finger in the direction of assholes brydforda, because it was burning my 29min and 29min 30sec I15 sec was even 29min and 48sekund and so on in general does not have to have a guest, which promised not to perform but the result is all the same I like it)). In general no shrinkage wheel had not noticed, plants and sow the day with sex trafficking, as the woman suddenly catch a husband tripak 8-)) are force-fed her only nyuportovskim gasoline silicon theirs, too, has been used for three years in the most extreme conditions and all one square wheel is gone )) you really got married tovarischschi.

kypexin - Administrator

14:16 - 12 July 2009

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diokhan writes:

the manufacturer indicates clearly, should burn with full fuel 30 minutes


And where exactly is written? I'm not the one that did not believe, I just'd never met, about 30 minutes :)

diokhan - Guest

15:29 - 12 July 2009

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Kill the gentlemen but I do not remember, I only know that is not with words, but read it and why he believed it right away, without looking back ... at least not far from the truth turned out))

diokhan - Guest

15:37 - 12 July 2009

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By the way, I have a problem with the slim "bald tires," he was such a store, not 100% fake, everything is in place. Lengths are compared with the normal deburring wheels and with Slim, all one in one! Silicon changed from the old spring stretched wheel cleaning ... vseravno slips on smoothly and sparks are stunted jump funny and sad and probably really soft metal caught there, sorry have to return to the store could not ((

evgen74 - Member

16:44 - 13 July 2009

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Good time zippomany gentlemen! I read about your experiments concerning the duration of burning zippo and its further exploitation, and decided to subject its "162 Armor"-such as experience, the result after refueling "NewPort"-s TV goryuchku and igniting lighters - 12-14 minutes a stable steady flame, then flame grows into a "pioneer" a fire like this, as shown in the photo in the first post of Maxim, then falls down and goes out within about 3 minut.Posle cooling and test lighters on ignition, the result is satisfactory, giving a spark well as good, as before the "execution", the only thing you need is to fill again "tinderbox" and forward to the new ispytaniyam.Ya think if you fill the "native" fuel, it will burn all of half an hour, according to diokhan. I apologize for the "cheap" shots.

kypexin - Administrator

22:09 - 13 July 2009

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Wow what a beauty :) I look at this experience is doing here every second :) Someday I will reach the hands :)

diokhan - Guest

4:34 - July 14, 2009

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Lovely shot!, And I was burning well as occasionally visible from the fact that the wick was too tight and a little bit thick in the place out of the "inserts" did not give the petrol vapors to escape freely through it, and when the entire structure has warmed, the smallest denominator, those hole from which gasoline evaporates, in addition to the wick.

evgen74 - Member

19:13 - 14 July 2009

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Gentlemen, colleagues zippomany, I apologize for dezinformatsiyu.Ya did kill his "Armor". Main after the "trial by fire" during the day, my flint work, as it should be "decent" zippo, gave a spark ignited smoothly and steadily from the first, but late at night, walking with his faithful dog, decided once again to ensure the reliability of its og cornfield and then on to you, whet, whet, whet, a fig nor any fire, neither the first nor the second nor the third zazhigaetsya.U not me at once mood to zero or even lower, what is the reason I can not understand, but it appeared that the "effect" a bald tire on which written here, my friends never expose such a blasphemous zippo operations to ensure they are not being made, well that I had "zero" Replika, 1941, now she tucked up and running as it should.

kypexin - Administrator

19:18 - 14 July 2009

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Ops. Sorry. Carry in warranty repair, replace insert a new one.

evgen74 - Member

19:24 - 14 July 2009

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I see a long way from Moscow, and can be sent by mail, and if you can, please give the address.

kypexin - Administrator

19:28 - 14 July 2009

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http://www.zippo.ru/guarantee/service/ 's contacts, but better to call and specify

evgen74 - Member

19:32 - 14 July 2009

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Thank you from the heart, I'm so used to it "Armor"-y.

diokhan - Guest

22:35 - 14 July 2009

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Hmm, and you suddenly want to cook soup in the desert, and in the hands of only kostryulya with water and zip), not the order. It is necessary to file a collective complaint!, Because this event is taking place and new lighters. I'll try to increase the hardness of the wheel by hardening of the results can be accomplish your goal ... who has more prototypes are not so that is a pity, go for it. An interesting experience happen.

Golden-Joker - Maniac

14:30 - 18 July 2009

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Thou shalt kill the wheel? then it is better damask :)))

Diokhan - Guest

18:42 - 22 July 2009

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So Dear Joker, now will spread along the walls of your laughter, because to me all failed)) I took the wheel is bald on silicon slid like clockwork, spring, no matter how stretched and whatever Kremko not set, there was virtually no sparks and she bastard ALL did not want to light up (the exception was a brand new flint, which, though gave a spark, and even the "oh my god she lit up! once!"))) but when a groove in the silicon, the spark almost disappeared. So - okuratnenko drew it "Kresalo" from the lighter to work with just a "cutter ala propane + oxygen" heated up to the crimson color on Cools in cold water - and this procedure was carried out 3 times. (Note) # 1 -> produce heat from the sides the wheel, do not direct the flame to "scribbling edge" (notes) # 2 -> who fear that the wheel burst in the cooling process, and for good reason, cool in the oil, only not creamy)). Then thoroughly clean by all-wheel grooves cutting edge of scale, I did it with a needle, put everything in place IRS broads! Bursting with happiness, simultaneously throwing innards all around ... now becomes lighter welding machine ... scribbling 200 times until remaining fuel ran out, ran like clockwork and even "Rolex" would be shamed ... so here, the fairy tale you gentlemen for the night 8-) - now lay photo, if possible.

Diokhan - Guest

18:50 - 22 July 2009

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These things okkuratno excavated pin :-)

From left bald, with the right results hardening

Again saw off the pin, and on this happy and Sea))

Diokhan - Member

19:48 - 22 July 2009

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Golden-Joker - Maniac

13:11 - 23 July 2009

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It is interesting to wonder ..... I'm only one did not understand what was the meaning of this procedure? it not be easier to change the insert a new one, or you would like to get pleasure from the process :)


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