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Zippo inserts material, its characteristics and chronology

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yours_truly - Moderator

3:24 - February 19, 2010

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Message edited 15:29 - February 19, 2010 by yours_truly


Just say that the articles on Zippo inserts can be found on foreign websites, but as the largest Russian-speaking ZippoCollector.ru portal about Zippo, I would like to insert an article on Zippo was also in Russian :)

Once at one of the branches offline slip inserts information about the "queen", in honor of which, for the most part, created this forum and website accordingly! And it became a question of which is made of metal insert.Zdes attracted controversy, but now , with your permission, colleagues, you can arrange this topic punktam.I this:

- The end of 1932 - 1941 inserts are made of chrome-plated brass, as, in principle, and the body:

- 1941 - 1945's. During World War II, housing was made of lighter stali.Sootvetstvenno of steel produced and the inserts themselves!

- 1946. - The beginning of 1951 inserts made of nickel, appear to be very similar to steel, sometimes you can not tell, and another thing feel in the hand, but check the possibilities I did not have:

- Mid-'51 - end of '53 during the war in Korea (North-South), in which the U.S. took part on the side of South Korea, the Zippo again switched to the manufacture of steel buildings, in view of the fact that the other metals were required for military needs! Naturally, this also affected the inserts, which in these years also began to produce steel:

- 1954 - today

So! And here comes the intriguing! Avoid any misconceptions applicable hypothesis of relativity!

Since 1954, the start inserts made ​​of chrome-plated brass, according to one site, but according to another site-of stali.Soglasno accompanying video in Russian about making Zippo, the inserts are made ​​of sheet steel, so this view is acceptable, but with a note of the relative, NOT FINAL, Unfortunately, in the metal, I am not strong, so that he can not definitively say! According to most of the current user reviews Zippo inserts are made of steel

If that was not my fault! :)

Judge for yourself, photo inserts 2002 (normal model):

Photo inserts in 2002 from the replica 1941!

Interesting facts:

In 1946-47. Zippo inserts made of nickel-silver:

During these years, there is another change, the old insert is changed to a new one!

In the old style inserts 1946-1947. 14 holes in the windscreen, in the new 1947 - 16!

And as in the '47 model there are two types of inserts, the first type and the second type.

They differ in width Zippo inscription on the front of inserts:

Furthermore, the inserts were made in 1942 with the "wrong" wrap sheet steel, roughly counterclockwise:

Between 1983 and 1984 there was a change in the ends of brass tubes to silicon:

Since its inception, the end of 1932 to 1937 in inserts was here such pistonchik:

Since 1937. before 1958. inside windshield cam end (hereinafter - the cam plate or if translated literally from English - spring cam!) was "hooked":

Since mid-1958. by 1969. including cam inside windshield was direct:

Since 1970. to today cam inside windshield was broad:

In the period from 1961. to early 1963. clincher wheel was solid, but not prozrachnoy.Segodnya on modern, not vintage, transparent rivet can be found on 1941 and inserts Replicas Replicas 1935

From the start of manufacturing to 1947. inserts on the bottom was now a bed of cotton type cigarette filter:

Since 1948. to 1992. inserts on the bottom is used by all of us felt washer favorite:

1959. - In 1968, along with a white rose is also used by applications:

1968. - 1972 - Use whole stuffing inserts Solid Fuel Cell:

In 1991, the felt pad appears LIFT TO FILL, but disappears in the hole tsentre.Eto g.Kstati continues until 2001, many of its mission and the emergence of a mystery, but everyone is free to interpret on its origin and destination:

2001 - today appears again the central hole in the felt pad, preserving labels and today it exists in the form:

In 1989, a slightly different cam plate inside windscreen, the corners are cut and slightly blunted:

1946 - one of the highlights :)

Notches on the wheel of change from horizontal to overlap:

1970 - live cam inside the windshield, which was from the middle of 1958 to 1970, rashiryaetsya direction to the wheel (1970 - 1989), in 1989, it will replace the cam with blunt angles:

In Zippo inserts 1932/33 years. Cam was in the form of a hook:

In 1933, the cam has changed a bit, took a more modern look, but it was vzakruglennoy front part and the rear part - on the contrary, the flat:

From 1947 to August 2003 cam existed in this form, and now both sides are smooth and flat:

In August 2003, I have a little end of the cam on both sides from the bottom there is something like a small incision:

Right fist until August 2003., Left, respectively - since August 2003.

Further, in February 2000, the inscription on the insert changes from vertical to horizontal orientation:

In 1999, there Zippo Tubing Pipe Zippo and accordingly architecture inserts also undergoes izmeneniya.Eto concerns mainly windscreen! Now it through, and the top plate is covered with a small hole:

In 1976, on the back side inserts appears that existed in this form until 1981 and states of the precautions when using lighters, keep away from children and so on:

In 1982, the label switched places and in this form are located on the insert and to this day:

Well, that's basically all, colleagues, customers, guests and lovers of Zippo, I understand that there are defects can somewhere, sometime not understand everything, but the most necessary things, like make out Colleagues, experts do not judge, please strictly and harshly, I admit that there may be errors, I hope you did not have a very boring! :)

Thank you all for your attention and good luck! :)


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Yours sincerely,

Yours_Truly


Merqury - Member

Samara, Russian Federation

11:13 - 19 February 2010

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Again, great job, keep it up, yours_truly!

Allow yourself a little touch up and add your stuff, to the best of their own knowledge of the subject.

yours_truly writes:

Since 1954, the start inserts made of chrome-plated brass, according to one site, but according to another site-of stali.Soglasno accompanying video in Russian about making Zippo, the inserts are made of sheet steel, so this view is acceptable, but with a note of the relative, NOT FINAL, Unfortunately, in the metal not my forte, so he definitely can not say!

The topic I was interested. I can not say for all years and models, but on my 2006, clearly steel insert, because attracted by a magnet, in contrast to the case. Judging from abrasions, bulges formed on the sides of the inserts at points of contact with the body - shiny surface is a electroplating probably chrome. It remains an open question with brass models, because they also insert the yellow metal

Since its inception, the end of 1932 to 1937 in inserts was here such pistonchik:

In this "pit" located in the coil spring while holding up fist.

Since 1937. before 1958. inside windshield cam end was "hooked":

Since mid-1958. by 1969. including cam inside windshield was direct:

Since 1970. to today cam inside windshield was broad:

1970 - live cam inside the windshield, which was from the middle of 1958 to 1970, rashiryaetsya direction to the wheel (1970 - 1989), in 1989, it will replace the cam with blunt angles:

In these passages we are, of course, is a form of the leaf spring cam.


Sincerely yours, Merqury ...

faust - Maniac

Moscow

17:29 - 19 February 2010

674 posts

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gorgeous, 5 points!

yours_truly - Moderator

18:50 - 19 February 2010

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Thank you, Cyril!

yours_truly - Moderator

21:20 - 19 February 2010

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Message edited 21:21 - February 19, 2010 by yours_truly


The fact that the inserts are made of steel, I do not doubt that vyzyzvayut.Tolko watched two movies about making Zippo, in both films, says that the inserts are made of steel! So in this saga, I think you can put a full stop!

Next! Let us cover! Ironically, both views, namely oniks1 and Merqury, valid only under the condition of combining more than one process to the other!

First on the second video, it is said that first there is a nickel, and then on top of it chrome! In order to verify the feasibility of such a process, I decided about two technologies read! And please, I quote:
"Nickel plating, coating the surface of products nickel plating (thickness, usually from 1-2 to 40-50 microns). N. are mainly made of steel and alloys based on Cu, Zn and Al; least - made of Mg, Ti, W, Mo, and their alloys, nickel coating developed methods for non-metallic surface - ceramic, plastic, bakelite, porcelain, glass and N. et al used to protect products against corrosion (under atmospheric conditions, in alkaline solutions, salts of weak organic acids), increase wear resistance, as well as protective and decorative purposes.

Nickel is used, for example, to cover the details of chemical equipment, cars, bicycles, medical devices, appliances, household items, measuring tools, cliches and stereotypes, as well as parts, operating with small loads under dry friction, etc. Nickel coatings with time some lose their original luster. So often cover a layer of nickel-resistant layer of chromium.

Benefits of chromium are well known. This metal has a tendency to be borne passive, transparent, dense film, which increases corrosion resistance and warning darkening shiny decorative coatings. Chrome itself does not create a good corrosion protection for steel, it is necessary to use intermediate layers, such as nickel or nickel - copper. "

yours_truly - Moderator

21:40 - 19 February 2010

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Message edited 22:04 - February 19, 2010 by yours_truly


Merqury writes:

It remains an open question with brass models, because they also insert the yellow metal


In general, I suggest not to bother about it apart, though, of course, this is interesting! So that some special chemistry or physics obsmeyat me, I should say that I'm on the topic dalek.No in fact, what's the difference, I think so , no value will not add lighter insert, we learn from what he is made of metal! Clearly, that is not made of gold and platinum, if we're talking about an insert yellow!

Merqury, I was thinking at the expense of your question about the brass Zippo models that have an insert zheltyy.Tak, again simply put forward a hypothesis - an insert takes the same steel and is zheltym.Kak it is again not say exactly, but there is, for example, a process such as latuirovanie, the Internet can be about him pochitat.Beretsya steel product coated with brass ... but I could be wrong!

Relying again on the movie in English, I heard that sort of like this:

"The inside case is made of steel, but as this lighter is a gold lighter, the inside case goes to a gold bathroom to look like the whole lighter ..."

When she said this, just insert showing yellow! Look video, if not seen, It seems you have the English everything is normal ..


yours_truly - Moderator

21:50 - 19 February 2010

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oniks1 writes:

Chrome - metal is very expensive to use it on the internal parts, and it's pretty steady on his fortress ... Most likely that is still used nickel plating ...


Even in the video said in Russian, then first nickel plating

http://zippocollector.ru/archives/592

so in essence you with merqury both right!

Merqury - Member

Samara, Russian Federation

10:36 - 24 February 2010

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All right, yours_truly, as far as I know, Chrome never applied directly to the base surface. Just a while ago, caught the eye of the loop peredachka American Chopper, or something ... There are just a plating bath custom motorcycle parts "bathe." Details are likely steel. So, at first covered with a layer of copper, then nickel, and, then, the last - chrome. I have the box mixer Grohe (home repairs and his wife do) also just shemka, touted their surface resistance, the cut - first brass (base material), followed by a relatively thick layer of nickel, and then a thin film of chromium.

In the case of inserts, it is possible, just nickel used here already professionals must ask. :-)

What about yellow - yes, indeed, it is very likely some electroplating, at home watch "Victory," the old roll, they have a yellow body, but obviously steel, the passport says "paint finish - anodizing."


Sincerely yours, Merqury ...

yours_truly - Moderator

22:19 - 24 February 2010

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Message edited 22:24 - February 24, 2010 by yours_truly


in principle, yes, insert goes in the "bare" steel kind only if it is not a yellow insert, where they cover something special vannah.no say exactly no one can say except specialists, well, because we are not experts, it also make sense to guess net.Sovremenny inserts made of steel and everything on it!. but then so can endlessly speculate!

at the expense of the anodizing! anodizing, as I understand it, is the process stands on the metal surface of the oxide film, which protects the metal from this korrozii.pri may receive different colors! most sites, a process called color anodizing. only again to insert it all the direct not relevant, because just say no one can, at least, of the participants in the forum, otherwise, I think these guessing that the coating on the insert Zippo, would have long been ...

suggest just close this topic, since the most basic we found, much to dig into the details, it's just a plant worker in Bradford can say what and how! differently now begin the same as with a lid replica 41 years, and why and how?

kypexin - Administrator

22:43 - 24 February 2010

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Yes, yes! Insert in your pants! :))))

faust - Maniac

Moscow

23:53 - 24 February 2010

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kypexin writes:

Yes, yes! Insert in your pants! :))))


anodized)))

Merqury - Member

Samara, Russian Federation

10:05 - 25 February 2010

141 posts

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oniks1 writes:

Anodising - a way of metal, not the coating. Information and descriptions on the Internet abound. And speaking of the insert, it is likely he did nothing covered - just steel. And in the film about Zippo, which speaks of nickel, chromium and then, we are talking about the case.


Well, I say - some electroplating, about the method, not the material. There is need to carry out tests. :-)

And as for "uncovered" - it's possible, just in my particular instance it was too suspicious appearance in chafing inserts on bumps where it's body inside shorkaet - very similar to that caused by a worn outer layer, not just polishing zatsarapalas. I would sfotkal, but at work camera down there, but at home too lazy ... :-)

As another factor in favor of this hypothesis - if the steel inserts - "rzhaveyka", it needs some protective coating against corrosion.

kypexin - Administrator

10:13 - 25 February 2010

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Coverage of course there is, but I do not know what. But I know how inserts can rust! I have an old Zipp 1950, in which an insert can not be removed at all - rusty and "soured." And even if you do not bring to this state, it is still often possible to see the rust in the "pipe."

Merqury - Member

Samara, Russian Federation

10:54 - 25 February 2010

141 posts

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kypexin writes:

Coverage of course there is, but I do not know what. But I know how inserts can rust! I have an old Zipp 1950, in which an insert can not be removed at all - rusty and "soured." And even if you do not bring to this state, it is still often possible to see the rust in the "pipe."


So zarzhavit anything can skillfully something. Evil is simple enough. :-)

slay - Expert

12:47 - 25 February 2010

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agree, depends on how to use =) You can carefully, because live to this day in perfect condition Zippo mid-20th century, but you can not - then and for a week you can spoil irreversibly =)

yours_truly - Moderator

16:01 - 25 February 2010

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Insert is made of mild steel, it is not stainless steel, nerzhvaeyuschaya steel, not usually a magnet!

Merqury - Member

Samara, Russian Federation

16:23 - 25 February 2010

141 posts

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yours_truly writes:

Insert is made of mild steel, it is not stainless steel, nerzhvaeyuschaya steel, not usually a magnet!


So I kakby allude to it.

slay - Expert

17:00 - 25 February 2010

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and sorry =)

Merqury - Member

Samara, Russian Federation

17:26 - 25 February 2010

141 posts

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"Stainless" is worse in terms of mechanical properties, more difficult and more expensive to process. So all right. :-)

yours_truly - Moderator

17:33 - 25 February 2010

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For such a massive production it is, of course, a little expensive ...

pashmyan - Guest

19:14 - 18 April 2011

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And do not tell, in silver and gold Zippo also steel inserts?

Gorynych5 - Maniac

Moscow

21:10 - 18 April 2011

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Well, steel, silver and gold is too soft metals because of them as inserts from .. known substance bullet.

ultrain - Expert

13:23 - June 5, 2012

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good information, there are moments that complemented my knowledge! Thank you.


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