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| shock66 - New member 17:14 - October 6, 2011 Posts 5 |
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| Message edited 17:28 - October 6, 2011 by shock66
       
Lighter inherited from the now deceased relative's front-line, dragged her from the war He told me that he had received it as a gift, with which at the end of the Second World War (1945) at a meeting with soldiers sovetstkih amerovskimi Soldier (2 front) exchanged winners fascism around Berlin Why have a question? Probably because acquainted with articles and stories about the Zippo on this resource, comparing the appearance of their lighters with tables stamps on packages and inserts did not find an exact match, and therefore the period and release. As noted herein, material and workmanship Zippo WWII was steel, including 1945 (in my case steel) But here is the presence of 16 holes - it is at least 1946, and teardrop-shaped ear wheel True to himself wheel to determine nothing is impossible, since in 1988 its axis and frayed it was lost - now worth something terrible on the axis of the nail - "farm" of relative-owner lighters to 1991, when it fell into my hands, where he remains to this day. All contributors thanks in advance! |
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| kypexin - Administrator 16:37 - October 7, 2011 1670 posts |
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| As for steel, I'm not sure - steel lighters were in 1945, but they were bottom of a convex outward. By the form similar to the usual worn chrome brass, which has been used since 1946 (although the photo, not holding hard to say). Yes, and in-depth stamp put only began in 1946. And judging by the 16 holes, is not before 1947 (although I do not exclude that such could insert and change). In general, 100% can only say that it's not exactly 1945. In 1945, such was not. | |
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| kypexin - Administrator 16:38 - October 7, 2011 1670 posts |
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| Oh yeah. Same five-loop! So it did not previously in 1948. | |
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| shock66 - Guest 22:33 - October 7, 2011 |
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| kypexin writes: As for steel, I'm not sure - steel lighters were in 1945, but they were bottom of a convex outward. By the form similar to the usual worn chrome brass, which has been used since 1946 (although the photo, not holding hard to say). Yes, and in-depth stamp put only began in 1946. And judging by the 16 holes, is not before 1947 (although I do not exclude that such could insert and change). In general, 100% can only say that it's not exactly 1945. In 1945, such was not.
about Steel: Chrome-plated brass does not rust - my all donnyshko rusty inside - since 2004, how to quit smoking, it is not never ran and did not use dry weight of 56 grams lighter. - Weigh your, brass, have the run? - Very interesting! relative, received it as a gift from the Americans came home crippled in 1945, in 1946 he already had a son who was born on the farm lived :) (North Caucasus, Tuapse district), did not go anywhere from there and not have physical opportunities to change insert! eg I first saw this (this) lighter than the picture and live with him in 1991, so exclude the possibility of replacing the insert - did not have them for sale in the USSR (at least in the boonies) yes, and if possible replacement - would he nail axis instead of collective farms? I repeat: no one example of the tables and inserts donnyshka stamp my lighter does not beat: ( and taking into account the information from this site that the steel produced by 1945 inclusive - just do not understand what period it attributed |
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| kypexin - Administrator 0:33 - 8 October 2011 1670 posts |
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| Why, all the beats :) Okay, let's go in order. Dent bottom: Minimum 1946 FIVE-loop: Minimum 1948 If you are 100% sure that this was - this year 1951-52, when the Korean War Zippo a couple of years back to steel as a body material. There's your answer: if steel is 1951-52, when brass - is 1948-50. PS see more poster http://www.dateyourzippo.com - the best resource for dating Zippo, though in German. | |
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| shock66 - Guest 17:44 - October 8, 2011 |
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| will the son of the relative front-line advice to urgently changed birth certificate - bo he could not have been born in 1946 - his father until 1952 sharilsya somewhere and begging lighter :)))))) no offense! simply absurd situation: the facts contradict the catalogs .... Request to the moderator: Please close topic - while I'm not convinced that it is a replica before last year :))) Let the mystery remain a mystery. |
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| Gorynych5 - Maniac Moscow 19:43 - October 8, 2011 1860 posts |
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| Druzhischsche, you know what bullshit is different from the legend? So that pizdunu say he snitch, and a man to tell a good legend believe. Your cousin-soldier deserved fame that that was a war, and how and when he got this lighter, does it matter? Can and has been sharing with an ally, and then lost a gift, and he crook extracted bagatelle similar to the memory of the meeting .. Experts precisely dated years edition. That is indisputable. So what? How does it change your life? There is a legend, is a feat departed person, there is a piece of metal, looking at which you remember it. |
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| shock66 - Guest 20:13 - October 8, 2011 |
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| Gorynych5 writes: Druzhischsche, you know what bullshit is different from the legend? So that pizdunu say he snitch, and a man to tell a good legend believe. Your cousin-soldier deserved fame that that was a war, and how and when he got this lighter, does it matter? Can and has been sharing with an ally, and then lost a gift, and he crook extracted bagatelle similar to the memory of the meeting .. Experts precisely dated years edition. That is indisputable. So what? How does it change your life? There is a legend, is a feat departed person, there is a piece of metal, looking at which you remember it.
Thank you. Good answer! Correctly, it is better to leave things as they are and not to engage in excavations. |
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| kypexin - Administrator 14:51 - October 9, 2011 1670 posts |
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| Yes, what then could be hurt :) I'm your expert opinion on the dating lighters gave: 1948-1951. Could the same and its former owner something confused, especially after 50-60 years ... Maybe this is another lighter, and she donated somewhere still is not found :) | |
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| shock66 - Guest 21:03 - October 9, 2011 |
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| kypexin writes: Yes, what then could be hurt :) I'm your expert opinion on the dating lighters gave: 1948-1951. Could the same and its former owner something confused, especially after 50-60 years ... Maybe this is another lighter, and she donated somewhere still is not found :)
Yes, what can be the same offense? Nothing of the sort! I got it over in 1991, when the owner was still alive and in a sober mind. Since receiving it as a gift from The camera took about 36 years. Old school was chelovechische to lie. But ..... Fact and directories differ, and therefore born please close twig. Honestly, no offense! I just realized an attempt to clarify that nurtured for many years, but does not seem possible. Thank you all for your help! |
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| Gorynych5 - Maniac Moscow 21:47 - October 9, 2011 1860 posts |
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| I do not understand the obsessive desire to close this branch. Grandfather in the attack on the tanks guns walked (or drove-fly do not know where he served), and you because of the simple identification of the lighter back up give. Yab with your relative went into exploration, and you think a couple of times now. |
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| xidemonix - Expert Moscow, Russia 2:14 - October 10, 2011 327 posts |
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| shock66 writes: I got it over in 1991, when the owner was still alive and in a sober mind. Since receiving it as a gift from The camera took about 36 years.
That's the phrase is not entirely clear. If it's been 36 years since a gift from the American to start your ownership of it in 1991, then was handed a gift in 1955. And then it corresponds to the time since this lighter - it's exactly the period 1949-53 - the 5-functioning loop (with 1949.), insert if Nickel (1949-51), if the steel, the 1951-53 year. Well, nothing American could not give her in 1945 - would be violated space-time continuum)) Zippo from the future! |
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| shock66 - Guest 15:17 - 10 October 2011 |
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| Gorynych5 writes: I do not understand the obsessive desire to close this branch. Grandfather in the attack on the tanks guns walked (or drove-fly do not know where he served), and you because of the simple identification of the lighter back up give. Yab with your relative went into exploration, and you think a couple of times now.
The forums are not a beginner, because flooding and off not welcome. Topic branches was about identification In exploration was more no desire, as age appropriate Indiscriminately judge of the opponent - childhood. IMHO |
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| shock66 - Guest 15:19 - 10 October 2011 |
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| xidemonix writes: That's the phrase is not entirely clear. If it's been 36 years since a gift from the American to start your ownership of it in 1991, then was handed a gift in 1955. And then it corresponds to the time since this lighter - it's exactly the period 1949-53 - the 5-functioning loop (with 1949.), insert if Nickel (1949-51), if the steel, the 1951-53 year.
Well, nothing American could not give her in 1945 - would be violated space-time continuum)) Zippo from the future!
my fault - not exactly counted / number have course from 1945 to 1991 passed 46, and not 36 years. |
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| Hartman - Guest 20:32 - 10 October 2011 |
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| In fact, everything was much more interesting, because the real intrigue - from off the disabled WWII, bezvylazno lived post-war life in the North Caucasus American Lighter released somewhere shortly before the outbreak of war in Korea? It's just a holiday what it is ... |
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| shock66 - Guest 22:21 - 10 October 2011 |
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| Hartman writes: In fact, everything was much more interesting, because the real intrigue - from off the disabled WWII, bezvylazno lived post-war life in the North Caucasus American Lighter released somewhere shortly before the outbreak of war in Korea? It's just a holiday what it is ...
Here I can not understand On the one hand, knowing this man and his lifestyle from the "post-war" (again, his words and the words of close relatives), as well as how he valued two-relics brought gifts (second - German dagger helluva beautiful) I can not imagine where he could nadybat and so keep the lighter 50s :) on the other hand - the facts catalogs Zippo dealer in Belgorod region (he gave me the address of this site) suggested that this could be a lighter "transitional model" 1945-46 he can and rights body-at the beginning of 46 have been with the "bottom pressure" only here the material of manufacture - steel ... |
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| Hartman - Guest 23:17 - 10 October 2011 |
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| With such frugality sign - knew a man who until his death enjoyed exclusively by cutlery which made itself somewhere in the woods when there partisans. He lived almost a hundred years, has experienced all the bastards and cannibals of his times. Grandfather was not killed, these are no longer made, even colonels. Steel wartime, as far as I know (I could be wrong) - was solely coating black crackle. It could not go on "naked" steel - especially since she just turned into a piece of rust would, obviously. Surprising that for so many years has not fallen off cap - its most subtle loop construction site ... Damn. Intrigue powerful, of course. |
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| shock66 - New member 9:59 - October 11, 2011 Posts 5 |
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| Hartman writes: With such frugality sign - knew a man who until his death enjoyed exclusively by cutlery which made itself somewhere in the woods when there partisans. He lived almost a hundred years, has experienced all the bastards and cannibals of his times. Grandfather was not killed, these are no longer made, even colonels. Steel wartime, as far as I know (I could be wrong) - was solely coating black crackle. It could not go on "naked" steel - especially since she just turned into a piece of rust would, obviously. Surprising that for so many years has not fallen off cap - its most subtle loop construction site ... Damn. Intrigue powerful, of course.
Studying catalogs, also came to the conclusion that it is, in theory, should be "bathed" coating Loop caps still quite normal, though significantly backlash, and the hinge to fall off and do not think - there is resistance welding prihvachen goodness, that already on the outer side is clearly visible :) |
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| kypexin - Administrator 10:03 - 11 October 2011 1670 posts |
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| Well known instances of 1942-45 years of steel with fully scraped paint. But here the most important difference - it dent the bottom and 5-link loop. | |
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| kypexin - Administrator 10:05 - 11 October 2011 1670 posts |
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| shock66 writes: Zippo dealer in Belgorod region (he gave me the address of this site) suggested that this could be a lighter "transitional model" 1945-46 he can and rights body-at the beginning of 46 have been with the "bottom pressure" only here the material of manufacture - steel ...
Yes, that's the thing that I could not. Exact - could not exist in 1945. | |
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| shock66 - New member 12:31 - 11 October 2011 Posts 5 |
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| kypexin writes:
Yes, that's the thing that I could not. Exact - could not exist in 1945.
Paradox. If he misled me .... it was to remain in its reduced: ( |
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| Hartman - Guest 13:16 - 11 October 2011 |
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| kypexin writes: Yes, that's the thing that I could not. Exact - could not exist in 1945.
Here in this then cool. The presence of some American WWII veteran loot 41-45gg - this is more the rule rather than the exception. From the banks of stew to the aircraft. Lighters, can openers, flashlights ... Boring and mundane. But here is the presence of a veteran American things produced just in the most hysterical paranoia period towards allies - it's cool. |
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| shock66 - Guest 17:39 - 11 October 2011 |
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| Hartman writes: Here in this then cool. The presence of some American WWII veteran loot 41-45gg - this is more the rule rather than the exception. From the banks of stew to the aircraft. Lighters, can openers, flashlights ...
Boring and mundane. But here is the presence of a veteran American things produced just in the most hysterical paranoia period towards allies - it's cool.
Damn, the seed for the story :) Indeed, solid inconsistencies! Maybe it's me and spodviglo find a grain of truth? Since the attempts to release dating devaysa 5-8 years ago did not succeed, but that naryl then - also pointed to a few year later than the grandfather said ... with that and I'm on this forum :) |
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| dreamwork - Expert Ukraine 14:14 - 12 October 2011 203 posts |
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| Maybe worth a friend write a good letter in English, attach a photo and send it to Bradford, they can shed light on this situation? |
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| kypexin - Administrator 14:15 - 12 October 2011 1670 posts |
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| dreamwork writes: Maybe worth a friend write a good letter in English, attach a photo and send it to Bradford, they can shed light on this situation?
We have shed light :) | |
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| dreamwork - Expert Ukraine 14:21 - 12 October 2011 203 posts |
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| Well, maybe there is some sort of zkovyrka, which is known only to the company Zippo. |
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| kypexin - Administrator 14:25 - 12 October 2011 1670 posts |
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| dreamwork writes: Well, maybe there is some sort of zkovyrka, which is known only to the company Zippo.
No :) | |
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| shock66 - Guest 15:05 - 12 October 2011 |
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| dreamwork writes: Maybe worth a friend write a good letter in English, attach a photo and send it to Bradford, they can shed light on this situation?
In my opinion, the board has the right to sell :) if the whole world is already spilled, we must try! If I get the answer, whatever it was, would put it here. Thank you all! |
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| shock66 - Guest 20:36 - 12 October 2011 |
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| oniks1 writes: Zippo, even if they answer, the only "dry" phrase, considered the stamp hinge material and workmanship that is discussed in detail here. The story of the front-line soldier veteran they will not understand ... he was checking out at this time, or at all, as the lighter found myself in it - they do not care ...
The expectation is that the question: could there be a real lighter to be released in 1945 - and will answer On interest amers to deceased grandfather-Russian war veteran and his statements there are no prerequisites, and they do not need |
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| shock66 - New member 11:54 - 13 October 2011 Posts 5 |
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| oniks1 writes: Maybe this is too much, but I would ask such a question on the page Zippo - http://www.facebook.com/Zippo At least, they would see the opinion of connoisseurs and lovers around the world ... There are many lovers of rarities ... But I think that the company Zippo would not remain on the sidelines ...
will! thanks for the link! |
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