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| Maxim - Guest 11:46 - 21 May 2009 |
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| Good day. using this lighter, I wanted to check how much is enough stock of fuel for continuous combustion. After ignition, after 5-6 minutes the usual flames began to grow into a much bigger, it was probably due to the evaporation of gasoline vapor through the walls. All this is very reminiscent of the pioneer fire. This can be seen in the photo: (insert from other lighters, both native) http://pic.ipicture.ru/uploads ..... 7PpCkS.jpg then lit another cigarette lighter so for 2-3 minutes, then turn off, running out of fuel. As a result - lighter even after charging then not lit - no spark. Trimming the wick, flint replacement do not help, empirically found that the reason for this wheel - interrupted by other lighters. Likely due to prolonged heat exposure was "releasing" a violation of the metal lattice. Thus already broken two lighters Zippo. |
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| kypexin - Administrator 12:02 - 21 May 2009 1670 posts |
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| Maxim, my respect to you! :)) He had long wanted to do this experience, but you have shown us all :) Although I our dear Golden-Joker and solobok (independently) told me that doing the same thing: they have lighter burning about 15-20 minutes and ended all this without any consequences for it. That's interesting: a lighter then be kindled will never? Ie I suspect that the temperature effect can affect the wheel, but not to such an extent that it will no longer give any spark. Yet it is done by a special technology and special alloys and "kill" it is very difficult. While that your experience proves otherwise, and there is no reason not to believe him. And you do not have pictures of the affected wheel separately closeup to see what happened to him? | |
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| MANDREY69 - Member 12:13 - 21 May 2009 Posts 83 |
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| Good day! And what is the vulnerability Zippo? In this experiment, the lighter worked in the critical regime . Basically if you let Zippo under the press, and then she will not ignite, then Zippo also be considered vulnerable . Do not expose to torture their Zippo-sorry for them, damn . |
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| MANDREY69 - Member 12:17 - 21 May 2009 Posts 83 |
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| By the way about the effect of a blowtorch. And what fuel is used when doing "ssozheniya"? This is fundamentally why'll talk later. |
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| Capillary - Guest 12:33 - 21 May 2009 |
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| Good day. Being an eyewitness to my friend and colleague Maxim simply burned his lighter, with his permission, I answer some questions because he is currently offline. 1) The fuel used in both cases Newport'ovskoe, and immediately before the experiment lighters are not refueled. 2) In the first lighters was no spark at all. Chick-tweet - and all in vain. 3) wheel of her be saved. Thrown together with the insert. Lighter is in the photo, however, ignited, though not immediately. About the fifth time. |
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| Maxim - Guest 13:19 - 21 May 2009 |
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| MANDREY69 - Member 13:34 - 21 May 2009 Posts 83 |
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| In the post "Fuel for Zippo" wrote that spend benchmark Newport and new synthetic fuel Zippo - the results of which tpishus later in a specified post. So one of my test - flame stability during prolonged continuous combustion. Burning lighter with different types of fuel for 3 minutes. With Newport flame grew in height as they heat lighters approximately 3 4raza, burning accompanied by clapping (but this effect it as pictured nebilo). With synthetic Zippo - flames rose in the first 20 seconds, slightly (2-2.5 times) and remained stable. My guess is that this is due to different boiling "syntethic isoparaffinic hydrocarbonat" of MDM manufacture of modern synthetic fuel Zippo and "distillate naphtha" - part of Newport. In Zippo she probably much higher. Can we have among chemists and confirm or disprove my assumptions. |
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| MANDREY69 - Member 13:43 - 21 May 2009 Posts 83 |
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| In the photo pretty decent cuts, why does not spark? If the wheel after the "heat treatment" was softer silicon, the notch must be on the look worse after the friction of flint and have a pronounced production in the form of grooves. |
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| solobok - Member 6:45 - May 23, 2009 Posts 109 |
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| Message Edit 6:54 - May 23, 2009 user solobok
Told me explain about cases: twice burned two different zippo long, not to study, but by necessity. And once lighter really burned continuously for 15-20 minutes (during the shooting, camouflaged, simulates the candle - a real candle faded away from the wind). In another time and another zippo burning with no wind, indoors, when cut off electricity and needed light. No increase in the flame had not noticed. Steady stable combustion minutes of commercials five to seven, while it was necessary. But it was always original zippovsky gasoline. No petrol fumes from interwalled space is also not observed, and increased consumption of gasoline is not entailed the need to recharge - after a long time lighting a cigarette, not tucking in the new, that is, from those long combustion zippo not "dry". I think it's all the same in petrol nyuportovsky probably behaves differently. No wonder that the Council use their mother as much as gasoline inserts knocked out. ;) But with wheels can confirm that a spark was weakening (but not that ALL the spark was gone.) In both cases, then walked along the teeth SLIGHTLY thin diamond needle files, undermined, so to speak, as saws eroding - and spark back, yes, such as had never been. And both lighter plow since then and today, as pretty. So, in my experience, "kill" the wheel really hard, but "hurt" - it is possible. Incidentally, this was the weakening of the spark in me and another lighter, and that is what one is not burned out long. All of them a decade of manufacturing: the nineties. So, it is possible that a few years, the plant was simply "polubrak" flint wheel (or experimenting with an alloy, not too successfully). But I said third zippo undermined needle files - works, how cute. About tire noticed that lighters last year (not at all) notching on silicon is larger. Also probably experimenting. Links loops won Sause. Loop looks more elegant on health cover, like, no effect. They are there all the time something Bradford vary. Proportions of the windshield, there's already changed so many times ... I do not even two, like, similar style of the 37th "slash-corner" - on the one issue that 90 windscreen narrower than the one that is released in this century, but wider than 60 lighters 70s. By the way, I remembered then Council (which steadily following): never wash knives with very hot water, sharpening worsens. Cutting edge, subjected during sharpening partly shock, receives additional hardening (as known for sharpening a scythe mowers even specifically "ticking" for this purpose), and here it is "released" hot water. Possible overheating of the lighter does not spoil the wheel, but "releases" the cutting edge is the edge of it. Therefore, there is no spark, and therefore undermining the same needle files solved the problem. However, all this is just theorizing ... |
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| Golden-Joker - Maniac 22:33 - 26 May 2009 856 posts |
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| Well written, very much and I agree completely! but at the expense of knives I do not understand .... me and the Swiss satisfied  |
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| MANDREY69 - Member 23:18 - 26 May 2009 Posts 83 |
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| Keep Golden-Jokera. But with knives another story. Hot water is not "otputit" steel. Good, not tupyaschiyusya knife made of vyskouglerodistoy steel, and it is easy to oxidize, rust (take a look at the road wheels on a sunny day after driving through a puddle, rust appears as the drying of the disk) when the blades are washed with cold water or as advised Chinese swings out just wipe, it remains a layer of fat that protects against oxidation  |
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| Golden-Joker - Maniac 23:21 - 26 May 2009 856 posts |
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| So much so! good about knives . unless they are soldered to the Zippe  |
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| diokhan - Guest 11:30 - July 12th, 2009 |
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I never heard that the sharpening of the hot water is released, unless there kakih-nibud concentrate acids runs from the tap)) ... and about the sustainability zips: the manufacturer indicates clearly, should burn with full fuel 30 minutes, not tested on their once, in front of friends and show off rotten leave (intentionally though they also infect zippomaniey 8-)) and for themselves to take the soul and threaten with a finger in the direction of brydforda assholes, because I have it burned 29min 30sec and 29min sec I15 was even 29min and 48sekund and so on in general is not present on these ghosts that promised not to operate but the result is all the same I like it)). In general no shrinkage wheel had not noticed, plants and sow the day with a half-turn, like a woman caught her husband suddenly tripak 8-)) cram it only nyuportovskim gasoline silicon theirs, too, has been used for three years in the most extreme conditions and all one square wheel was not )) you really got tovarischschi marriage. |
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| kypexin - Administrator 14:16 - July 12th, 2009 1670 posts |
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| diokhan writes: the manufacturer indicates clearly, should burn with full fuel 30 minutes
And where exactly is written? I'm not the one that I do not believe, I just never do meet, about 30 minutes :) | |
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| diokhan - Guest 15:29 - July 12th, 2009 |
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| Kill gentlemen but I do not remember, I only know that not with words, but read and why he believed it right away without looking back ... at least not far from the truth turned out)) |
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| diokhan - Guest 15:37 - July 12th, 2009 |
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| By the way, I have a problem with slim "bald tires", he was such a store, 100% not fake, everything is in place. Compares the length of deburring wheels with normal and with Sliema, all one in one! Silicon changed from the old spring stretched wheel cleaning ... vseravno slides on smoothly and sparks are jumping stunted and sad and funny, apparently really soft metal got there, sorry to have to return to the store could not (( |
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| evgen74 - Member 16:44 - July 13th, 2009 Posts 47 |
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| Good time zippomany gentlemen! Read about your experiments concerning the duration of burning zippo and its further operation and decided to subject its "162 Armor" this same experience, result: after refueling "NewPort"-ovskoy gorjuchki lighters and ignition - 12-14 minutes a stable steady flame, then flame grows into a "pioneer" a fire like this, as shown in the photo in the first post of Maxim, then falls down and goes out within about 3 minut.Posle cooling and lighters check ignition on, the result is satisfactory, spark gives so-well, as before "execution", the only thing that you need to fill it again, "Flint" and forward to the new ispytaniyam.Ya think if tuck "native" fuel, it will burn all the half-hour, according diokhan. I apologize for the "cheap" shots.  |
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| kypexin - Administrator 22:09 - July 13th, 2009 1670 posts |
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| Wow what a beauty :) I see this experience is doing here every second :) Someday my hands reach :) | |
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| diokhan - Guest 4:34 - July 14, 2009 |
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| Lovely shot!, And I was burning well as sometimes seems from what the wick was too tight and a little bit thick at the exit point of the "inserts" did not give the petrol vapors to escape freely through it, and when the entire structure has warmed, the lowest denominator, those hole from which gasoline evaporates in addition to the wick. |
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| evgen74 - Member 19:13 - July 14th, 2009 Posts 47 |
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| Gentlemen, colleagues zippomany, I apologize for the same dezinformatsiyu.Ya killed his "Armor". Main after the "trial by fire", during the day my flint worked as expected "decent" zippo, gave a spark ignited smoothly and steadily from the first time, but late at night, walking with his faithful dog, decided to once again ensure the reliability of its og cornfield and then on to you, whet, whet, whet, a fig nor any fire, nor the first nor the second nor the third zazhigaetsya.U not me immediately mood to zero or even below, what is the reason I can not understand, but it appeared that "the effect of" bald tires which then contacted friends never expose such blasphemous zippo operations, not for they are made, it is good that I had "zero" Replika 1941, now she tucked up and running as expected. |
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| kypexin - Administrator 19:18 - July 14th, 2009 1670 posts |
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| Ops. Sorry. Carry in warranty repair, replace insert a new one. | |
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| evgen74 - Member 19:24 - July 14th, 2009 Posts 47 |
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| I see there is far from Moscow, and can be sent by mail, and if you can, please give the address. |
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| kypexin - Administrator 19:28 - July 14th, 2009 1670 posts |
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| http://www.zippo.ru/guarantee/service/ contacts here, but better to call and specify | |
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| evgen74 - Member 19:32 - July 14th, 2009 Posts 47 |
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| Thank you from the heart, I'm so used to this "Armor"-y. |
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| diokhan - Guest 22:35 - July 14th, 2009 |
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| Hmm, suddenly want to cook soup in the desert, and in the hands of only kostryulya with water and zip), not the order. It is necessary to lodge a complaint of collective!, Because this is the case and be with new lighters. Try to increase the hardness of the wheel by quenching on the results otpishus ... maybe someone else has prototypes that will not very sorry, go ahead. Interesting experience happen. |
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| Golden-Joker - Maniac 14:30 - July 18th, 2009 856 posts |
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| Weirs wheel? then it is better damask :))) |
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| Diokhan - Guest 18:42 - July 22, 2009 |
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| So Dear Joker, now will spread along the walls of your laughter as I managed all)) I took the wheel is bald on silicon slid like clockwork, spring no matter how stretched and whatever Kremko not set, there was virtually no sparks and she bastard ALL would not ignite (the exception was a brand new flint, which, though gave a spark and even "oh she lit! once!"))) but with the appearance of the grooves on the silicon spark virtually disappeared. So - okuratnenko drew it "Kresalo" of lighters at work through it all "ala torch propane + oxygen" heated up on crimson Cools in cold water - and this operation was carried out 3 times. (Note) # 1 -> produce heat laterally wheel should not guide the flame to "strike sharply edge" (note) # 2 -> who fear that the wheel burst in the cooling process, and for good reason, cool oil only not creamy)). Then we clean everything thoroughly groove cutting edge wheel of scale, I did it with a needle, put everything in place IRS broads! bursting with happiness, simultaneously throwing guts all around ... now becomes lighter welder ... 200 times strike sharply until remaining fuel ran out, ran like clockwork and even "Rolex" would be shamed ... so here, the tale you gentlemen for the night 8-) - now lay photo, if possible. |
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| Diokhan - Guest 18:50 - July 22, 2009 |
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| Diokhan - Member 19:48 - July 22, 2009 Posts 60 |
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| Golden-Joker - Maniac 13:11 - July 23, 2009 856 posts |
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| Interestingly interesting ..... I'm only one I do not understand what was the meaning of this procedure? not be easier to change to a new insert, or you would like to get pleasure from the process :) |
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