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solobok - Member

2:01 - 18 June 2009

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I repeat: everyone can have their opinion. But, recognizing the role of the USSR in the war (my grandfather, by the way, not only was this whole war, but also the previous Finnish), I believe unfairly conceal the role of other countries. And lend-lease, which is remembered by many, faced with it, and in some places still enjoy its fruits. This is no joke. One of my friends come from Arkhangelsk. Where there specifically located what he said I do not know, but he saw it himself repeatedly, all my childhood. On the sea shore lies the mountain of chocolate landed on lend-lease. Take it no one took - the Luftwaffe bombed, then apparently forgotten about him. But the people, after the war, found. By the time the mountain overgrown with ice. A dozen years ago, the local men went to this hill drinking. Snacks with them did not take just a crowbar. Dig deeper permafrost, dokovyryayutsya to chocolate, pinholes - and a snack. Hohmy - hohmit, but many non-Russian sailors found their graves at the bottom of the ocean, trying to deliver a belligerent Soviet Union the very famous American stew and much more. And on the "western" aircraft our pilots fought. There was much talk about that, they say, their cars were much worse than ours, but to find fault with that given to you in a minute emergency - a sign of lack of self-esteem.

Yes, to the United States did not enter the occupant leg, as in England, by the way, but England suffered greatly from German bombing. With regard to Europe, many of them were under the heel of the 3rd Reich, and they acted Resistance. I repeat: the death of a person, especially a hero who died for his country, or tortured, no matter where it happened, in the Russian village or camp in Europe, died soldiers on the battlefield or at Tikhvin was tortured by the Gestapo soprotivlenets French in Paris - it is always death . And the struggle - always a struggle. Assume that "we - minds, and you - alas" for myself, I thought it would be not only disrespectful to the memory of the fallen ANY, but the lack of self-esteem. Anyone who does not appreciate the sacrifices of others, hardly able to truly appreciate and own.

Here let us imagine that in a street fight involved group. Someone started earlier beaten many opponents got more bruises and blows. Someone came later, but the enemy defeated together. And yet - not without wounds. And who was the first tells the others: I fought it, and you are so, wormed, shelupon. That such a man say? What would you say about it? Of course, it is insulting and terrible when ordinary people in the West do not know about the role of the USSR in the Second World War, because of what it is about the epic absurdist under the name "The Unknown War". Terrible. So why repeat their mistake? They are bad, not knowing about us and not recognizing us, and we - good? We - the same if we behave the same way.

Dillinger. - Member

14:51 - 18 June 2009

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Message edited 14:54 - June 18, 2009 user Dillinger.


answer ... lend-lease lend-lease there Yes, it's help, no one argues about it, BUT that does not mean hait, nobody Hail, criticized the American planes da.Kritikovali Kittyhawk due to problems with the engine in such a way killed our famous ace pilot Safonov.Nelepo, due to problems in the engine, the way to his last flight, he went without a slave, who also was forced to return to the same prichine.Kritikovali and American Shermans, who just burned like a candle without giving chance for the crew as spasenie.Eto call .... Nate God that we do not yet gozhe.I not criticize them for this technique, and who on ney.Byli flexibility and good moments as Airacobras and British Spitfires their hvalili.I I believe rightly criticized, as our people fought and died, and could lend-lease and vyzhit.I as technology was needed because its production could not keep pace sufficient to build ... Or someone else will compare them or Sherman whether our T-34 or HF, and our Yaks and La with ihnimi Kittyhawk and Tomagavkami.I nevertheless still fought mainly on their machines.

I agree that badly that ordinary people in the West do not know who won win. himself live in the west and see it here ... They just recently celebrated D-Day ... so yes, if they won the war, if it is due to the Allied landings we won . Ingratitude and tolko.Eta landing only hastened the end of the war, no more.

Yes, England was bombed, and in furnaces burned peaceful English population, and to work in Germany stole or may tortured British prisoners as well as Russian? No!! Our people as Slavs and people did not believe the Nazis.

And I believe that is correct, as we celebrate May 9! Which parades arrange that all enlightenment and education world knew and saw who won the Second World War and who they helped!

solobok - Member

2:25 - 19 June 2009

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Here agree. Just repeat your own words: they help us. To find fault with someone who helped, for that, they say, "is not so and then not" - not too grateful. And thanks for a great people - a necessary quality. In "Shermans", by the way, not only our burned. They themselves - too. It is nicknamed the Americans of "Ronson" supposedly "ignited always the first time." Though actually ignited the first time just the queen of this resource - Zippo.

It would be ridiculous of me to argue with the fact that the Russian people made great sacrifices experienced untold suffering and did an incredible amount for the overall victory. But again: it is impossible to measure the suffering figures. Because the suffering of even one person - this grief. And hardly died in the concentration camps of Europe non-Russians suffered less than burned alive in the villages in the territory of the USSR. Measure, compare those suffering can only those who experienced them. But they are, in my experience, do not compare. And those who did not survive, it is unlikely in the next world are measured, who was hurt.


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