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Message Edit 1:52 - April 29, 2009 user solobok

This lighter has become my first truly vintage zippo. It was after her, I almost entirely focused on finding old and not buying new zippo. FIHM little "retired", and began again to buy new ones.

Initially it was a "black crackle" three tiered loop during the Second World War. Owner was decovered (traces such as the dismantling of the weak vertical scratches on the body can be considered - very distinctive markings that are almost all "tore" zippo WWII) and the body was silvered, that in itself does not occur very often. Lighter this attracted me with its mystery. Seller - American collector and author of two books on the history of vintage lighters, actively sold and advertised on our sites collectors subjects. Seller of the year production was positioned as 1942. I was puzzled, because the three-tier loop - it is 43-45 years old, as well as an inscription on a steel insert with the number of the patent. Nevertheless, I bought this thing, finding out something about the coin, which decorated lighter owner. This Australian silver pennies. On the one that is soldered ratchet up visible mintage year - 1943, and in general, as I found out, such sixpences minted until the 46th year. Usually coins military lighters are of two types: place a rear base or battlefields. Thus, lighters those who fought in Europe, found mostly English (rear base) or, for example, French, German (landing place and fights) coins. Australian pennies early forties coinage can only point to one thing: the owner of this zippo fought in the Pacific against Japan. It is in Australia were allies rear bases in the Pacific theater of war. Australia, in addition, a long time ago and still is the source of the largest deposits of silver, so to silver plated lighter by being in Australia, it was about the same as in Europe - red lead paint, not harder. That the owner has removed the black coating itself quite usual. So did many of the soldiers who fought in Europe, Africa, etc. But usually it meant that he was not an infantryman: black coating was created specifically to lighter not glaring, giving aim sniper. Accordingly, the Marines always maintain such a disguise, not to "shine" in the trenches or in street battles. Clean and polish their zippo usually artillerymen, tankers, pilots, sailors and so on. So maybe, my beauty was fighting way with any carrier sailor on deck which rain fell kamikaze planes. Silver - another plus in the direction of a marine is a good protection against rust (some traces of which are found on the insert).

Key mystery of this instance - is dating. There is no trace shift loop, but has lighter PATENT NUMBER ERROR on the body, which knocked some lighters in 1942. Even without an insert, which is easy to change, an interesting picture. Somewhere in 1942 have changed zippo design: four-link hinge changed to a three, and on the fourth before the insert to extort the company name, license number and country of manufacture (in principle, the same stamp as a wok). Simultaneously, the bottom has become more convex (as in my copy). This lighter has all the features later 43-45 years, and at the same time - invalid patent, which appears on the zippo in 1942. I concluded that I was not in the hands of just a rare instance of an erroneous patent, and even more rare - a copy of the transition period, where on the body the new model still managed to punch the wrong stamp.

By the way, a lighter bearing the clear marks of the Pacific theater of war, too, neither before nor after did not meet. I think fake excluded: why so "bother", looking in the U.S. old Australian pennies, if it was easier soldered very common English or other European? By the way, dealer-collector, being a specialist in lighters, not specialized in coins, and outlined in the sale of lighter as "decorated English coins." Error is clear: and those on other personages portrayed the royal family of Britain, differed only in reverse. That is, the seller did not know that he is not in the hands of European and Pacific WWII zippo.

It works like clockwork. Wait a minute ... Now, now lit from it, and on this small review conclude my first vintage purchase.

Dillinger, thank you! I always try to sniff out anything about the acquiree Vintage and that around the bush it. That if I messed up, I hope, our Admin will correct me. Me to his knowledge of the subject yet oh so far. Spread about their old Gizmos will not hurry, because gave myself the task: to post about some vintage curiosities or just buying another one in the collection. Came up with a set of incentive to replenish.

Message Edit 3:21 - April 13, 2009 user solobok

botas, thank you! I do not know how historical, but rather meticulous. For the most part, I've been gathering information while trading. Here's another, I tell you, the adrenaline. When you buy at a fixed price, so the heart is not beating. Although I was an amusing case jubilee clock zippovskimi: I traded, traded, and then could not be on the line - the case distracted. And killed my bet quite a bit. I was cast down, and after a day comes to me a message from the seller: you say, lucky (and was told), at seller has another copy. And I offer to buy it at a fixed price equal to the maximum rate on my previous hours. Which I did immediately.

I attach a photo insert of "Pacific" zippo, that was all the rules. It is customary to show both sides of the instance. However, along the way, AF is not there has sighted, insert text on blurred but there and everything is clear, the usual three lines.

Message edited 12:23 - April 23, 2009 user kypexin

solobok writes:

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Seller - American collector and author of two books on the history of vintage lighters, actively sold and advertised on our sites collectors subjects.

And by the way, what is the seller and the author of books? Head broke :) Dana Baumgartner? something does not seem ...

Message Edit 2:26 - April 30, 2009 user solobok

kypexin writes:

Message edited 12:23 - April 23, 2009 user kypexin

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solobok writes:

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Seller - American collector and author of two books on the history of vintage lighters, actively sold and advertised on our sites collectors subjects.

And by the way, what is the seller and the author of books? Head broke :) Dana Baumgartner? something does not seem ...

Well, we're already discussed it internally. ;)

hengilinov writes:

Ira Pilosoff? On avtor knigi pro zazhigalok i dealer starix zazhigalok.

Right. Not finding any anywhere portraits found it - it. Later educated (actually, aka kyrexin in person). In the English-correspondence that you can not tell the sex of your interlocutor. :) And the name might be a Jewish male, and taken out of Russia (especially in New York). I eventually confused indispensable vintage picture with smoking lady posted on every page of his lots.

hengilinov writes:

Tochna muzhik ;-) Ya ego v proshlom gody videl na sobranii kluba OTLS v Las Vegase.

But I'm no portraits found on the Internet, even strange ... He's on eBay are absolutely stunning instances of lighters! Lift-arm across the incredible beauty, board Ronson. Yes, in general, anything, including military Zippo in excellent condition, however, for the right price ... Well, they are worth.

hengilinov writes:

On setid za svoim stolom

http://otls.com/images/stories ..... C00510.JPG

Thank you! Highlight: earlier imagined his face - and it coincided with the present. That I somehow felt it at a distance, or just a person Ira is very suitable to his name. Second, of course, more likely, but first - interesting.

My wife thinks this Zippo most beautiful of those that she had seen. And what about originality, it's not very clear. Housing cover slightly narrower than the lower part. But traces replace the hinges are not visible. Either there was a difference in thickness in the coating process and the subsequent removal of polishing (before silvering) or the cover has been replaced. But judging by the loop, replaced no later 46th year. However, it should replace the hinge is not visible, and I have never seen that such a replacement on the left traces on the edge, in the form of characteristic dents who initially have all modern Zippo (even replica 41th). Zippo on the Second World production dents did not happen, everything went smoothly. And repair dents always centered, and a little "skosobocheny." Therefore Zippo contemporary style renovated near the hinge already obtained four dents. Immediately seen anything like it. Erroneous patent suggests that the lower part must be made no later than 1942. All other features - 43-45 years. Rust on the insert fully "reflected" in the traces of rust inside the bottom. In general, a mysterious thing. But as it is pleasant in the hand ... Do not tell.

Thank you for consolation! Probably cover all the same "native" because it fit the bottom of the - well, just perfect for the "zero" is not always so modern meet. And the "hump" on the cover and bottoma same height, and at an earlier version, they lower.

"The old lady redecorated" too, probably, gently grip. They are shaped like a replica of the 41th (or rather, on the contrary replica similar to the pre-war), but still pokruglee bedplate. One of the advantages ploskorebernyh Zippo - how Pivoted cover "specifically" falls flat edge on the fingers of the modern form of Zippo, no such feeling. Need me, though, to get a rectangular, even if a replica of the 32nd or 33rd ... Obschupat and this body.

Insert, maybe even will fall somewhere in the auctions. Or any thorough-polygonal broken Zippo the same time, cheap due to the state, but with the correct insert. In addition, this insert is also vintage, albeit later. That's when the insert very modern, then shame. And so, insert even gives it a peculiar charm. I, for example, on the Vietnam Zippo, which is the first part of "The Edge of a War ...", obviously renovated Change-loop: characteristic scratches and two additional dents. So I think it's even a plus: not only that great "thong", so also an example of corporate with perpetual zippovskogo repair warranty.

Golden-Joker wrote:

although it is so very good

That is the best "expert judgment." If that feeling, then - something "friendly" with the owner. This - the main thing. One of my favorite Zippo - a simple standard style 37th, 2007 release. Simply, it works very well on sensation. I am pleased to get a light from it, and it seems that she is happy to "serve" me. And what is it to me that it is not vintage, and that produced huge numbers. This other such available, and my - that, but not the same!

Потрясающий рассказ.У этой зиппо богатая судьба,не могу даже представить себе каково быть владельцем такой можно сказать исторической вещи.

А моя мечта это зиппо 33 года But no harm in dreaming

Captain Murphy пишет:

Потрясающий рассказ.У этой зиппо богатая судьба,не могу даже представить себе каково быть владельцем такой можно сказать исторической вещи.

Я могу представить, как можно догадаться. Но не могу описать. Одним словом, это хорошо. Особенно, немного изучив, КАКИЕ битвы были на Тихом океане. Камикадзе-летчики и морские сражения общеизвестны, но ВСЕ сражения на “Пасифике” были очень кровопролитными. Японцы просто так не сдавались. А камикадзе были и в пехоте - выбегали с минами в руках. Самурайский дух японских солдат НА САМОМ ДЕЛЕ делал для них смерть в бою наилучшей судьбой солдата. Одним из аргументов в пользу ядерных бомбардировок Японии было то, что, по мере приближения союзников к японским островам, ВСЕ НАСЕЛЕНИЕ Японии готовилось отражать наступление врага, от едва научившегося ходить ребенка и женщин - до дряхлых стариков. И так бы и было. О боевом духе японской нации могли бы рассказать души воинов хана Хубилая, безуспешно пробовавшего с огромнейшим войском завоевать Японию. Правда, в тот раз японцам помог еще и тайфун, разметавший флот Хубилая. Тот тайфун назвали “Камикадзе” - “Божественный ветер”. А кого назвали во время Второй мировой именем этого тайфуна, мы все хорошо знаем. Правда, во второй раз не помогло…

А рассказ мой слишком краток. Слишком беден для этой потрясающей темы. На тему войны на Тихом океане снято множество фильмов, включая широко известные “Тонкая красная линия” и “Письма с Иводзимы”, а также прекрасный новозеландский фильм “Последняя пуля” и великое множество американских фильмов 40-50-60х годов. Я всегда привожу в пример Тихоокеанский театр боевых действий, когда меня убеждают, что со стороны “наших” только СССР во Второй Мировой по-настоящему воевал, остальные так, примазались к славе.

Кстати, 33-й год можно, я думаю, приобрести на интернет-аукционах. Подождать, отловить, и купить. Пардон, пропустил очень важный пункт в середине перечисления - надо еще ее ВЫИГРАТЬ, а претендентов будет тьма-тьмущая. Только вот неизвестно, сколько ждать, пока такое чудо появится. И это будет ОЧЕНЬ дорого стоить, если в оригинальной коплектации. Я даже боюсь представить, сколько… Если учесть, сколько их всего выпустили, и сколько на данный момент известно сохранившихся. В прошлом году я видел на eBay очень похожую на первый выпуск, судя по инсерту. Я даже не стал следить, за какие деньги она уйдет… Военные в хорошей комплектации и с памятными гравировками (например, о высадке в Нормандии) уходят порой за четырехзначные цифры. Первый выпуск, думаю, перевалит за десятку тысяч.

Everyone can have their opinion. I believe that the war - not a reason to be compared, who has more people were killed. U.S. soldiers, passed the "meat grinder" in the Philippines and fallen there, worthy of glory and the memory is not less than the Russian, who fell at Stalingrad. And Allied soldiers who fell in the many battles in Africa, and killed during the landing in Normandy, and so on. Yes, the Russians had to endure a lot. But is the pain of European families who lost their loved ones in numerous concentration camps in Europe, this becomes less of? And the Japanese soldiers, by the way, is also worthy of glory and honor. And the heroic soldiers of the Wehrmacht. We somehow got into the habit of ALL Skopje German soldiers of the time, not just special teams SS considered fiends and fanatics. By this logic, every Soviet soldier should be equal to the employee torture chambers of the NKVD. And what? And those and others - the Soviet military, is not it? Or, yet, there is a difference between a soldier dying for his country in the trenches, and personnel executioner? Even the birthplace of the soldier is an unjust war, but the soldiers then heroically performing their duty to the homeland.

Hemingway quote, it is very favorite quote me:

"I participated in many wars, so I'm certainly biased in this matter, I hope, even very biased. But the author of this book has come to a conscious belief that those who fight in the war, the most wonderful people, and the closer to the front, the more you meet great people there; but those picks that inflames and waging war - pigs, thinking only about economic competition and that can capitalize on this. I believe that all who profit from war and who contributes to its incitement, should be shot on the first day of hostilities authorized representatives of honest citizens of their country, which they send to fight. And ... if in the end there were evidence that I myself in any way to blame for the outbreak of war, even to me, sadly, shot the same rifle platoon. "

Ernest Hemingway. From the preface to the 1948 edition of "A Farewell to Arms!" (A Farewell to Arms)