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Merqury - Member

Samara, Russia

18:57 - 5 February 2010

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I would like to gratify his own curiosity. :-)

Materialtsy looked mainly at this site (thank you, Vladimir!), For various petrol flip topam, relatively speaking, relatives, more or less close, Zipp. And pay attention to the following: almost exclusively on explicit Zippo-clones found similar springing cover - through a tricky form of the cam. Most are more or less distinctive designs use, I think, more simple and technological (and yet, I suspect, not less effective) biasing system simply by leaf springs. Granted, it is possible that not all the designs I've seen, but nevertheless, "the trend is visible." Was wondering - where did he come about this idea with the cam? Pure notion Blensdeyla? The Austrian spy ancestor could not, there is a removable cover at all ... just that this cam is somehow "not fit" into the overall process technology zippovsky, subjectively, I think so. Ineteresno, by the way, the technology of its production - stamping, casting? He is not milled, then it will result in the production cost of the rest of the lighter. In any case, an intentional design complexity. Due to the small number of imitations - a patented feature of this design?

PS As an offtopic - scanning the forum repeatedly ran across opinion about armor'ov - say, a purely image-move. Without disputing this claim, wanted to throw in my two cents: a couple of years ago, on sharyas zabugornom Zippo-Resources, stumbled, almost on offsayte, to remark that the armor appeared to be able to make a more profound relief gravarovki on the case. May have a right to exist.

kypexin - Administrator

22:36 - 5 February 2010

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Merqury, an interesting question :)

Honestly, no matter what models to Zippo I have not seen such a part. I have a suspicion that it did so, the invention Blaisdell. You are right that the design of the two plates is simpler, and the way it is and much more sturdy and durable. But on this design can be no tricks, even the simplest opening lighters or three fingers "of the pants" :))) And thanks to this Zippo cam received a share of a reasonable play, which made its unique design, well, plus the famous "click" - a direct consequence of the availability of this part :)

Sam Cam likely cast, but it certainly can not say I'm not good in the metal. HE alone is not patented, patented design of the overall lighter entirety.

Merqury - Member

Samara, Russia

16:08 - February 8, 2010

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Message edited 16:09 - February 8, 2010 user Merqury


Looked Wait a scheme with the first patent Blaisdell - and there are in fact at all, in contrast to classical Zipp, the second "well" in the tank in which he lives coil spring. In the context of such and such a course, need some kind of "transfer element" to the cover, which role performs the proverbial fist. The scheme, it must be said, even more distinctive. Later (if you believe http://www.dateyourzippo.com - in 1937), apparently from a coil spring refused to simplify the design (no need to enclose an extra compartment in the inserts), attached a (quite elegant technically, admittedly) flat , and the cam was "inherited".

A lighter with leaf springs - they have a "click" when you open is not expressed at all?

PS But all these mechanical nuances fliptopov pale in comparison with giblets Imki. :-)

Sincerely yours, Merqury ...

kypexin - Administrator

16:13 - February 8, 2010

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That you quite rightly said - until about 1937 used the so-called piston spring, which actually kept this cam, and then the design was simplified.

Lighters with plates - they do not click. They and the feel in the hand and quite different when opening and closing.

Merqury - Member

Samara, Russia

16:47 - February 8, 2010

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Hmm, I thought - and in the front line, I wonder no one arrives with the opposing party "to the sound of" opening the lid Zippo? :-) And then in the silence of the night patrol calls should be to click ...

In this regard, should be the safest type of old lighters IRIC, even non-automatic, or Bowers - there is nothing to click at all. :-)

botas - Expert

3:04 - 9 February 2010

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Message Edit 3:07 - February 9, 2010 user botas


kypexin writes:

Lighters with plates - they do not click. They and the feel in the hand and quite different when opening and closing.


Yes, fliptopov with plates at the opening of a clique is not (for night patrol - the fact), but when you close the clacking as yet, only the cover and stick to the newer :) And a fliptop - the more klats closing.

Merqury - Member

Samara, Russia

9:22 - 9 February 2010

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botas writes:

Yes, fliptopov with plates at the opening of a clique is not (for night patrol - the fact), but when you close the clacking as yet, only the cover and stick to the newer :) And a fliptop - the more klats closing.


About a ...

botas - Expert

14:21 - February 9, 2010

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The older the ignition is - the more worn the plate, the less pressing force.
This lyuminievy Park - new. Very tug cover and klatsat at closing.
http://zippocollector.ru/forum ..... rands / park
There are at thinking one more, very yuzanny, barely there cover all fixed.

And it Matawan'a black krekla - plates are thinner and shorter, and the pressing force is less.
http://zippocollector.ru/ ..... rackle.jpg
Now creaks at closing, but if the devise, it will be very soft to work with. About other plate fliptopy not say (black krekly Berkeley, Park and others) - is to tovaritsu Kurehin :)
That is, theoretically soldiers Matavanom and could go deep in exploration without fear "Slept" click :))

Merqury - Member

Samara, Russia

14:58 - February 9, 2010

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Hmm, we gather in the offtopic, but I think Vladimir forgive us. :-)

And any liftarmy how "sonorous"? They all somehow klatsayut opening-closing? Or, for example, Ronsonovskie machines? Et of course, if you ever have to deal with them. I have something of benzinok than Zipp and IRIC is nothing in the hands not holding still.

kypexin - Administrator

15:29 - February 9, 2010

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No, liftarmy basically silent :) Different automatic lighters do not differ too pronounced sounds, in fact apart from the "teal", nothing was heard.

Like it or not, this is still the most vociferous Zippo.

yours_truly - Moderator

20:20 - February 9, 2010

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kypexin writes:

Like it or not, this is still the most vociferous Zippo.


Zippo!!! :)))))))

botas - Expert

23:18 - February 9, 2010

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Message Edit 0:09 - February 10, 2010 user botas


. Here clicks Zipp, "plate" fliptopa Matawan Black Crackle and Benzinka Scripto VU-lighter . Mp3 files in weight from 15 to 25 kB.

Zippo usual

Zippo Replica 1941 (when opening sometimes produces a double-click, probably because of the shape of the body other than the normal body Zippy - flat side faces and discarded by 180 degrees. lid)

Zippo slim

Matawan Black Crackle

Scripto VU-lighter (was empty at the time of the recording, you hear a rumbling decorative dice inside :))


yours_truly - Moderator

23:27 - February 9, 2010

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oh, originally sdelano.chestno say I am not the owner of a replica 41, but if my hearing does not fail me, click it differs from the usual ... here I do not know! :)

yours_truly - Moderator

0:02 - February 10, 2010

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oniks1 writes:

One, as it should, "throws" head to the end ...


Prikolko said! :) I love these imaginative comparisons, and indeed in such a relatively small device, like a lighter, a terminological basis is not too small, as I said!

That's not the issue Just wanted to ask, two replicas! Means the same lines? Both of '41?

yours_truly - Moderator

0:17 - February 10, 2010

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oniks1 writes:

Of course, the two 41-s ...)))) have to get up out of bed does not want to, but it would sfotkal ...))) But maybe tomorrow .... )


Okay, thanks for that! :) The point is, as they say :)

yours_truly - Moderator

0:45 - February 10, 2010

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botas writes:


And it Matawan'a black krekla - plates are thinner and shorter, and the pressing force is less.
http://zippocollector.ru/ ..... rackle.jpg


offtopik.A about these lighters was infonrmatsiya on the site? Can not find something ... Whose production?

botas - Expert

2:11 - February 10, 2010

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No, there was not yet :) This is America 42-45 years. Military krekl. Once postsilt here

Merqury - Member

Samara, Russia

9:55 - February 10, 2010

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botas, thank you heartily for your trouble! Very informative. In the 1941-th-that, as a look, did fail a few clicks, it is not so sonorous as standard. Well slimka - generally not serious ... :-) But I still remark itself will take. :-) "Hpa-a-aitsa" (c) Do yourself a gift to the DR. :-)

yours_truly - Moderator

10:29 - 10 February 2010

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botas writes:

No, there was not yet :) This is America 42-45 years. Military krekl. Once postsilt here


Well, still ahead, we will wait! :)

yours_truly - Moderator

22:04 - 11 February 2010

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one in which once opened, it is sterling?

yours_truly - Moderator

22:20 - 11 February 2010

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oniks1 writes:

Perhaps it was made as it should be ... 41 replica and not on modern technologies ...))))


that is a replica 41? can you meant this as it should be original Zippo '41? :) Or I did not understand, maybe ...

yours_truly - Moderator

23:19 - 11 February 2010

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I just confused the phrase, rather than on modern technology ... it is a replica and the replica is the fact that is made using modern technologies, only repeating the shape of the original ... everything else out there and the truth is modern ...

botas - Expert

23:35 - 11 February 2010

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Yes, Sergey, lucky you with a replica :) It's the same thing as if a normal lid was suddenly dropped to 180 degrees, like a replica :) And what year this "wrong"?

botas - Expert

23:47 - 11 February 2010

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Interestingly, thinks about Zippo.

kypexin - Administrator

8:29 - February 12, 2010

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Oh, man found a topic for discussion - there is cover by 180 degrees, and there nedotyagivaet :)

I saw both of them. Position of the lid in the open position depends on tiny slack in the loop. So tiny that they are not visible eye, it's a millimeter. Both are permissible within the production process. By the way, a lot of old, he borrowed Zipp cover also folds to 180, and they are the usual model, not a replica. The reason - again developed of the loop.

botas - Expert

21:19 - 12 February 2010

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Message edited 21:49 - February 12, 2010 user botas


If I bought a replica, which cover not to swing through 180 degrees, it would have sent it straight to Bradford. After writing all that I think about it. Wow technological "tolerance" :) You can do a Zippo wheel play, insert to extract at closing, as some Chinese - well, just a little mistake on the robot. I do not agree with this situation.

botas - Expert

23:51 - 12 February 2010

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Message Edit 0:31 - February 13, 2010 user botas


Sends it to Bradford.

To me, this fact neotkidyvaniya cover at Replicas - unexpected and unpleasant discovery.

yours_truly - Moderator

23:55 - 12 February 2010

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oniks1 writes:

And if you turn the lighter upside down, and imagine that the body - it's cover, the rollover is more like replikovskuyu ...))))


strange if it were otherwise))))))))

yours_truly - Moderator

0:24 - February 13, 2010

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oniks1 writes:

yours_truly

Why is this strange? ))) I would be there, and the gap is quite small, and this is part of a fully opened, although it is heavier and ...)))


oh well! although I do not know, I do not have copies of these, so I basically to check on chem.a not so seriously, in fact I thought that under the weight she just did should be open, although it still depends on how open it, if gently and slowly with both hands, and so it may not help, and if tilted sharply ... but I will not argue, of course! no, no way ... for me it just does not matter at all it was, I still always adheres to the cover of habit, so join in the debate on the topic ete will not ... :) than the rich, and so happy ...

botas - Expert

0:49 - February 13, 2010

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oniks1 writes:

botas

Ure, for me this is nothing but comfortable and practical lighter. Even my modest little collection is not museum specimens, and all of them sooner or later will be used or donated ... So this is not important. We assume that only a small brachok got me ...)))) And the future buyer replicas, there is reason to check the quality of attachment loops ...)))


It is a pity that such mistakes Zippy slip. Here is the cover, do not flip completely, petrol zippovsky in black banks, with the words "Low Odor", and in fact with the smell of the solvent (although a year ago he was in the same bank was sound, no smell!).

I would not be surprised if Russia and the CIS quality standards for gasoline and lighters would be different than for the U.S..


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